New York 2030  

flagg134 36M
1430 posts
6/25/2006 8:56 am

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New York 2030

Its expected that by 2030 New York will add another million residents. The thought confounds me. Although its certainly on pace to happen considering people are living longer and will continue to do so as the science of medicine advances. Also many immigrate here because it is the financial capital of the world affording to create oppurtunity.

I just can't fathom where all these people will live its a mess finding a place as it is and forget about owning your own place in NY you need to make 6 figures or close to it to purchase property here and the prices just keep rising. On top of that a million more people means a need for a million more jobs. With costs rising companies have been and will probably continue to move their operations elsewhere.

I wonder what this city and world will look like in the future. What inventions will we create to further support our lives built around convenience. Will we still be driving cars as gas prices will continue to rise and parking continues to become a hotter commodity. People will commute in from further distances as they are priced out of the city.

An uncertain future makes me wish sometimes I lived in the sticks. I don't know if I could handle that though I'm so used to the pace of the city. On top of having good friends I wouldn't want to leave behind so I guess I'll stick it out for now. Though if anyone has any suggestions on where to move I'm open to hearing it.

RF


real36CgirlPA 38F

6/25/2006 9:26 am

That's a tough one. I'm actually trying to move from the sticks to the town where I work (Williamsport, PA) because I can't stand the commute. The cost of living is relatively cheap around here though (sorta northern central PA) compared to more metropolitan areas.

Maybe New York City will become more like Tokyo by 2030?


geminiwarrior 57F

6/25/2006 9:39 am

Most big cities are the same. The people that have had enough or getting older and prefer a quieter life will leave for the coast or the leafy suburbs. As employers move out to cheaper sites the work force will follow. These things have a way of balancing themselves out.
I moved to the leafy suburbs 5 yrs ago. When I need a city adrenaline rush I'm an hour away. Best of both worlds


themisskrissy 56F
2302 posts
6/25/2006 10:44 am

as far as real estate goes canadian west coast-wise this is the last frontier.. you can still buy a really nice house here under 200k...
but who would wanna live here...... no pollution, no traffic lights, few sirens, not a lot of violent crime, lots of wilderness and pristine lakes.. daily flights to the big smoke if you need a "city" fix.. or a scenic drive...

so who wants to live here... i will tell you who... the rest of north america.. property sales are booming, and it is not the locals..it is the yanks and prairie folk.. buying cheap.. looking to retire in a small town... soon the locals won't be able to afford decent housing..

Virtue Alone Ennobles


Myhoneysrooster 68M
882 posts
6/25/2006 12:00 pm

No thanks,
Have no desire to live like a sardine packed one on top the other.
Don't have much use for towns except that there are a hell of a lot of ladies there.
Like the wide open country. To me a good neighbor is someone who doesn't build his house closer than a mile next to mine.


Rudy1166 50M
136 posts
6/25/2006 8:09 pm

As you know, I'm an ex NY'er. I lived out in Nassau Co. and found that the cost of living around there was insane. My choices were either spend more than half my net pay to live in someones basement or
live with my mother until I'm 40. UGH!
So, 15 years ago, I split. I was a year younger than you when I made my move. Most people thought I went nuts. Moved 1700 miles futher west than I had ever been in my life. After all this time, I can say that I have no regrets whatsoever. Albuquerque NM is the place I proudly call home. Heck, I own my house outright! Got it
while it was still cheap. 7 years rent on the average NYC jail cell studio will still buy a 1100 sq.ft. 2 bedroom house here.
There are a few things I miss about NY, but I can always visit.


Gossip_Anyone 41F

6/25/2006 8:39 pm

I'm planning on moving to new york state this fall


phoenix639 49F

6/25/2006 11:09 pm

You will find statistic expectation way out...as they usually are.

Dont forget the amount of people who now reside in NY who are single like yourself. One day you & they will have a family & some will wish to move out of the city perhaps as others have doneover in to NJ.

People also die so for each 1000 born approximately the same die or are killed.

Its natures natural selection for humans.

Some will retire & may wish for a more sedate life in another state or even a different country.

When i lived in NJ i new a couple who were Harley mad & all they were doing was saving for their very early retirement to move to Europe. They wanted then to just ride all over Europe as & when they could.

I really wouldnt worry about whats that far ahead though, i mean look at how old you will be then.....almost 50. You may not even be living in NY in the next 5 years for all you know.

When i upped sticks & moved to the states years ago i didnt know that was going to happen at all did i. I said i was moving there & 6 weeks later i was gone after quitting my job, selling my car, giving my flat keys back, selling all my furniture & giving a ton of stuff away.

None of us know what will happen in 6 moths time never mind almost a quarter of a century away.


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
6/26/2006 1:45 pm

Real36C: Its really tough because if possible I would live here for the rest of my days I really do like New York and all it has to offer. I do imagine someday New Yorkers living in honeycomb type compartments just big enough to hold a bed, toilet, sink and microwave. Maybe some space for some clothes too.

Gemini: I suppose I would never want to be far from the city at all. Even an hour away would prevent me from going all the time though. Its a thought.

TMK: Hmm I like traffic lights and sirens the whole speed and pace of the city. Plus I love the convenience of everything. All this on top of being relatively anonymous to anyone its a good thing. I understand why the rush though these people need to find somewhere to go and they are being priced out of the city. So the only recourse is to move into the suburbs. Eventually I think it will cycle back but it doesn't seem to be slowing yet. Prices keep rising and rising here.

Mari: Hmmm I agree but its hard to see anything else as a city once you lived in a place like NY or LA. If I ever do consider a move I'll definitely have to do alot of research I don't have any moves planned in the short term though.

Rooster: Its really not that bad in fact its probably more private and anonymous then where you live. Hell I don't even know all the people in my building. I wouldn't really want a much bigger place than I have right now unless I was looking to start a family. Bigger places are more work harder to clean paint and whatnot.

SexyEyes: A suburb or small town close to the city would be optimal. I really wouldn't want to end up a million miles away from NY I too love the pace of it.

I can see them start forcing HOV to travel in Manhattan or possibly a device which tracks your travels and taxes you accordingly. That would certainly discourage people from driving.

SSS: I love it and would never want to leave here either I have lived briefly in other places. I always missed the city I think I might end up here in the long run do to that. Just hope I can continue to afford the rising cost of living. Its pretty suburban where I live on the outskirts of brooklyn as well but still just as convenient as and only thirty minutes away from Manhattan.

OOOOH I might have to look for two people at the Zeppole stand!!

Rudy: Eugh I hear you living with the parents till 40. Not an option nor one I would exercise. I know all about the prices everywhere else its ridiculous when I look at magazines for PA and CT homes. The prices are a joke compared to here.

Gossip: I will echo SSS and sexyeyes the state is a wonderful place to live. New York city is beautiful and very fast paced. Work hard play hard type of town.

Phoenix: While it is just an estimate I certainly don't see it as unlikely and actually more people are born or immigrate here then die. Thats a fact and it has continued for a long time. Housing here is already a very big issue they are trying desperately to find the balance of profit and creating affordable housing. Hopefully the market cools down if for no other reason then the rising interest rates. Housing prices have to come down or soon only the elite or government aided will be able to live anywhere near here.

RF


themisskrissy 56F
2302 posts
6/26/2006 2:39 pm

i loved the city i had lived in prior to being here! could have taken a miss on the sirens tho.. 10 minutes in any direction was a nice beach... really eclectic downtown core.. mild climate.. lots of culture and not too big.. a wonderful mixed bag of the very rich and the starving artists.. spiked kool aid hair to ladies in tartan.. i was never bored there... but a cheap house is over 200k now.. sigh... 150k is low range for new condos.. but it is paradise!

Virtue Alone Ennobles


SolarPowered0 67M
8018 posts
6/27/2006 4:18 am

As you like the "city", you're in one of the best places to indulge your appreciation. I prefer to be as far from the freakin' places as I can get without being forced to duke it out with sidewinders... or cannibals.

As for NY... it probably won't be too much longer before that mountain over in the Canary Islands slides off into the ocean and creates that 1,000ft Tsunami. I understand it shouldn't take but a few hours to reach NY. That should solve the problem of over-population.

I suppose it might be prudent to develop a more "rural" lifestyle prior to the event - that is unless you are one hellacious swimmer! Sometimes a city doesn't require being built "below sea-level" in order for it to be "washed away" by the rising tide. And remember... the first wave is just that - the first wave!

Solar... (out of the clear blue of the Western Sky)


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
6/28/2006 8:01 pm

TMK: You might be able to find a cheap house here for around 300k Thats if you are really willing to stretch on area and condition. Thats way beyond what I can afford at the moment obviously you can find anything in this city there is no dominant anything race religion social status. It is quite the melting pot I wouldn't want to leave if possible.

Solar: I'll take cannibals to rattlers any day of the week Solar. I also love the convenience of takeout at 2 am you jus can't argue with that lol.

This city is going to go down somehow whether it be by terrorist attack. The first target in a nuclear war, tidal waves or maybe an alien invasion. I can't be worried over that which I can't control. So I shall live dangerously in the land that never sleeps.

Rose: I actually don't find people from NY to be impolite we are a bit guarded and impersonal but hardly rude. Sure there are some but thats the same everywhere. It is fast paced and a struggle to live here at least for me.

I might take a look at other cities nearby but taking extended vacations really isn't an option for me. I've been around the US pretty much except for California and some midwestern states. There is just no place like home a bunch of nice places to visit but not to stay type of thing.

Sheeana: LOL I will echo what sexyeyes said and add that they give them to you in bag and pour confectionary sugar in then you shake the bag up. By the time you are finished the bag is transparent from all the fat but damn are they good. Not something you want to eat with "POP". It would make it taste all sour.

RF


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
6/29/2006 3:06 am

We have funnel cake here I love it. Zeppoles are little puff balls thats the best description I could come up with.

RF


MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
6/30/2006 12:39 am

You know, part of the problem is, the number of kids from upper middle class families in the midwest, who want to make it in the big city. They're starting out at $25K salaries and their parents are buying them the lofts or paying the insane rent, just so they can keep the kids happy. As a result, prices are still rising.

About the only way they're going to get another million in the city is to start tearing down buildings with history and start putting in more and more highrises. A few months ago I went with friends to the Moth Story Slam at the Nuyorican. I hadn't been in Alphabet City in years. This cafe is in what used to be a very rough part of Alphabet City. Now, it's all yuppies. No more tripping over winos and addicts. Even though there is no convenient subway there.

But that will change in a few years, won't it? Once they get the 2nd Ave line finished. Then that entire area is going to get even more insane, with rents on what used to be tenament buildings.


flagg134 36M
1582 posts
6/30/2006 4:04 am

    Quoting MissAnnThrope:
    You know, part of the problem is, the number of kids from upper middle class families in the midwest, who want to make it in the big city. They're starting out at $25K salaries and their parents are buying them the lofts or paying the insane rent, just so they can keep the kids happy. As a result, prices are still rising.

    About the only way they're going to get another million in the city is to start tearing down buildings with history and start putting in more and more highrises. A few months ago I went with friends to the Moth Story Slam at the Nuyorican. I hadn't been in Alphabet City in years. This cafe is in what used to be a very rough part of Alphabet City. Now, it's all yuppies. No more tripping over winos and addicts. Even though there is no convenient subway there.

    But that will change in a few years, won't it? Once they get the 2nd Ave line finished. Then that entire area is going to get even more insane, with rents on what used to be tenament buildings.
Whatever happened to the idea of making it on your own. No way my parents would put up with paying my rent even though its actually not that ridiculous but it will be in a couple of years. Its very true though I can't see how anyone can start out living in or very close to manhattan its just not possible.

That kind of change in areas is happening all over as more and more rich people move in and the middle class just doesn't exist except in small pockets around the city. Just look at what happened to DUMBO a very industrial area in Brooklyn that now has apts. selling for a million just because of its proximity to manhattan.

Yes they will be putting the second avenue line up I think by 2009 I'm not sure to be honest. It will drive everything on the east side up in price I'm sure developers have been looking into investing in that are for quite a while.

RF


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