Fear of getting out  

dandy6912000 61M/59F
2244 posts
8/3/2006 8:33 am
Fear of getting out


Well, looking at yesterday post, It looks like a book, or at least a chapter of one. But enjoy writing it just the same. I find exploring a different fantasy at times bring new things or ideas for us.
Today, I was going over the event that took place a few weeks ago, and even today it still make my temper flare. This happen on a resent outing and wonder if this is part of the reason, it is hard to find a place to go out dancing.
Returning from stateline speedway where we were enjoying the evening.Pulling out on the hiway, across from a local nightclub where there some very sexy people here have thier meet and greet once a month. We were talking about we should make it down there some time. No sooner then said, Here came the flashing red and blue lights.
OK, so here we are being pulled over, totally confused to the reason for it in the first place , but that became very well known to us in the first three minutes.
The first thing, the officer did as he walked to the rear of the pickup, was shinning his light looking for evindence of a crime, he just knew layed rolling around in the back. No luck there!!!!!!
As he made it to the cab, Hey it on the floor , So with his trusty Flashlight , he searched the floor and frount and back. Again no luck.!!!!!!!
Finally asking us if we knew what we were being stop for???? like we haven't figured that out by now!!!!!!!! (which he seem to think we moved before the crossing arm at the train track were still moving , which the lights went off before we moved, but told me we should of waited longer, looking both ways to make sure there isn't anything coming, hard to drive thruogh the arms, beside being foolish)
Giving the officer all the paper work, and when returning, he back to searching the empty box of the pickup bed !!!!! Damn good thing we didn't pickup someones garbage by the side of the road.
After finding out we weren't wanted by home land securty. His next thing he desided to question the reason of where we been??? follow by where were we going???? at the same time still waying this frecken flashlight.
By this time I'm really getting pissed over this whole line of questions. and it is not wise to show your temper, he the one with the gun.
Finding nothing to write us up he told us we could go. The rest of the way home i was wondering.
What the hell is to him where we been and where we are going???? Is it not a free country we live in.
The reason for conplaining about this is. If our law enforcement feels that evervyone on the road at night is out to commit a crime. It is starting to be like an old western moive where evervyone stayed inside to excape the strong arm of the law.
Now we come to the problem of going out dancing, or even stopping some from attending a meet and greet in the area. Some places quite booking bands cuase the fear of this keeps people at home. Now, we are responseable for the driving and drinking thing, which most of us are responsable enough to know better.
So where does it go from here,????? Do any of you feel law enforcement are going overboard at times??????
I know here, I feel like we're under a curfew of fear.

witty1960 56F

8/3/2006 2:37 pm

If a cop stops you for drinking and driving then you deserve to be arrested. In less you have lost someone to drunk driving you can't imagine the devastation, and you never get over the loss. And yes I'm talking from personal experience. However, it's like when you're stopped for having a headlight out and then cross examined. You haven't done anything wrong and should just be informed and then sent on your way. I hated living in little towns, colville, lewiston, because the cops there are worse, bored with nothing to do. I don't worry about it as much in spokane, figure cops have better things to do than bug me. Unless of course all the doughnut shops are closed lol. There's always two sides lol. And yes to get belligerent with someone in power over your life is just plain stupid.


dandy6912000 61M/59F
3383 posts
8/4/2006 6:00 am

    Quoting witty1960:
    If a cop stops you for drinking and driving then you deserve to be arrested. In less you have lost someone to drunk driving you can't imagine the devastation, and you never get over the loss. And yes I'm talking from personal experience. However, it's like when you're stopped for having a headlight out and then cross examined. You haven't done anything wrong and should just be informed and then sent on your way. I hated living in little towns, colville, lewiston, because the cops there are worse, bored with nothing to do. I don't worry about it as much in spokane, figure cops have better things to do than bug me. Unless of course all the doughnut shops are closed lol. There's always two sides lol. And yes to get belligerent with someone in power over your life is just plain stupid.
That is true of drinking and driving, and we feel for your loss.It is the hassles that been these days with people being stop going to work late at night, which is becomeing routine. There more accidents taking place during the morning and evening conmute. But it is the over all veiw of what our so called law enforcement has become. They beat a guy to death, and put on leave, a prison guard a woman in jail, put on leave. But how many of us don't venture to a meet and greet on count of being stopped for just being out. Guess most of the danceing will be at home Thank you for your comment. Dandy


LustyTaurus 48M  
21253 posts
8/4/2006 11:12 pm

I hate getting stopped for no good reason...I can understand if its a blockade and they're looking for someone...but just because I'm on the road???..give me a break, that isn't cool.


dandy6912000 61M/59F
3383 posts
8/9/2006 12:56 pm

I use to remember when , we use to call them peace officers and not so hell bent on ticketing a person. Now even the Forest service are carrying guns, where does it go from here???? I wonder if it not the result of trying to protect the rights of a few, we are losing part of freedom that is for evervyone. The bottom line is respect and honor, being you earn respect and in return its an honor.
So thankyou and I'm honored to have your comment in print here, and we fully respect your views.


SidSpanky 47M

8/9/2006 6:42 pm

Ok, let's look at the other side of the coin now. Trust me, I can see both sides of the issue and the main problem here is the failure to communicate on the behalf of the department heads and not the individual officers. Law enforcement has evolved over the years from that of a reactive peace officer to a proactive prevention officer. The reason for this is due in large part to public demand. The public has increasingly expected police officers to fix all their problems from ramped drug use to domestic violence, and peace keepers are not made for this. So, as I said, they had to evolve.
The crux of the problem is that while the public was demanding more from the police force and the departments were providing the specialized military training to meet the demand, the top brass failed to let the public know what they were doing. So, now you end up with a highly trained, proactive police force that actively seeks to head off problems before they begin and a public that doesn't understand the aggressive nature in which they are required to operate in. Naturally, emotions run high.
In your case, dandy, what the officer was employing was a type of profiling, not based on race or sex, but based on location and time. I can tell you from the officers point of view what he was thinking; A vehicle, at night, leaving state line Idaho (aka:drunk alley),makes a minor traffic error. In a proactive stance this is called probable cause and gives the officer a valid reason to stop you. He then thinks, while the vehicle is stopped that he will look for evidence of illegal activity while approaching the vehicle. Upon reaching the door he will then under his powers of search and seizure, look at the immediate area around the occupants of the vehicle for illegal objects or things that arise a suspicion. Upon verifying your identity and checking your insurance ect... He will then ask you some questions regarding the nature of your business in the area, again looking for answers that don't seem to mesh with the scenario or profuse fidgeting or sweating that would arise more suspicion and based on that suspicion give him more probable cause and allow him to further investigate. In your case he had no suspicion and allowed you to leave.
I know that this doesn't seem fair and is a major hassle if you do get pulled over, but, I can tell you that a lot of very bad people have been stopped by doing this before they where able to harm others, and there is an insane amount of drugs and illegal weapons that are discovered this way that would otherwise make it into our neighborhoods and homes. This is just the way that the public as a whole demands it to be.


dandy6912000 61M/59F
3383 posts
8/10/2006 8:34 am

SidSpanky,
I'm somewhat wondering if training is based on the place we live in or brought on by a national training medhod. Yes , it is the lack of communication. A great program ( Dare was a start to help curve some of this, but they found that cost money, So scrape that. Can't afford to buy SUV's and teach a program too. I have to also say based on The few problems we have experence here based on national media coverage ( Weaver, Butler , ETC.) has not helped in no way at all.
Oh well, I just pray each year when hunting season comes, that some hunter doesn't get shot for carring a gun in his or her car
Anyway, thanks for your input, I guess we are guilty until proven otherwise. Have a good day


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