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curious082385 31F
4230 posts
11/30/2005 2:24 am

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Support Them

First, the good news:
Remember my friends in Iraq that I told you about the other day? They arrived at Fort Bragg last night and will be (their words) returning home to their families in Florida sometime on Thursday.

Now for the less happy news and the basis of this rant. They flew from Germany to New York on a civilian flight, but in uniform. Proud of themselves for the experience they had survived, overjoyed to be returning home and anticipating a heroes welcome. One of my friends was seated next to an American woman on the flight home. She sat down and for several minutes examined his uniform when she thought he wasn't looking. Finally, waving her hand at the group of uniformed men, she asked, "where are you all coming from?"
He replied, "Iraq...we've been there since February."
Immediately, she pushed the call button. When the stewardess arrived, the woman asked to be moved to another seat as far away from the "vile servicemen" as possible, saying that she couldn't stand to be so near to "Bush's puppets" and refused to associate with anyone who supported the war.
Welcome Home, boys.

Now, I know for a fact that on a team of 27 men, only one of those guys signed up after September 11th and not a single one of them support Bush or this war. Yes, some people signed up to "serve their country" or specifically to go to Iraq and fight. But the majority of those serving in the military sign up for the educational benefits or for the training that the service provides. It is a stepping stone for a life long career. Again, yes, there are exceptions to this. But, here is my point. The military is a job. They did not choose to go to Iraq...they got their orders to go and they couldn't choose to refuse. They had to go, whether they agreed with the war or not.
I won't even post here what my feelings on Bush or Iraq are because in my mind supporting the war is separate from supporting the troops. Even if you believe that this is a dishonorable war, it doesn't diminish their honor in serving. Whether you agree with Bush or not, it takes courage and strength to leave their families for months at a time and place themselves into deadly and dangerous situations.
And that courage should be honored.

Supporting the President.
Supporting the war.
Supporting the troops.

Three very, very separate things and not exclusive to one another. You don't have to support them all in order to support one.
These are the men and woman who are going to come to our defense if we are attacked. And to call them "vile servicemen" this the best we can give them??

Efilnikufecin69 47M

11/30/2005 3:17 am

Amen sister! Support the Troops! Not the War! Not Bush! These are our Fathers, our Brothers, our sons. Our Mothers, our siters, our daughters. Turn your back on your family, then you turn your back on your Country, and then that woman has the balls to call herself a patriot or even American. I would have promptly opened a door on that plae and threw her Communist ass out! Very good post MzZ! {=}

Efilnikufecin69 47M

11/30/2005 4:26 am

duh! drrrrr, typos, gotta love 'em!{=}

PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
11/30/2005 4:45 am

Well, I am anti-militarist by conviction -I grew up under a semi-military dictatorship- but I am not going to go into such a ridiculous display simply becauuse I disagree with someone's career choice.

If someone chooses a military career, that is their privilege. If I dislike my country's military establishment, that is just my opinion, but unless said establishment is infringing upon my rights and/or liberties I will not be bothered by someone else exercising their freedom of choice.

Besides, Dubya is Cheney's puppet, so the woman is seriously misinformed

The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
11/30/2005 5:50 am

WHOORAW curious...I couldnt agree more. Im not a bush supporter by any means, however I do support the men and women that put that uniform on and if I could I would be one of them...As for this war. I think its great that we a re freeing a country or at least trying to...or at least supposed to be trying to...that is a just cause fighting for those who cant. but IMHO...and I hate to disagree with PK just alittle...I dont think dubya is cheneys puppet they are both puppets...why?....think about it...We all know that the rich pretty much decide whos in office and whos not...If you ever watch the moive Avaitor with Leanardo Decaprio (I know its a bad movie but if you pay attention to the politics of it you will see where Im going) People with power make the calls...the people who are in office and "supposedly" make the important desicions are the puppets. They are the figure heads to keep you from seeing who is really running things...they are rich and powerful..I mean think about it...Oil Companies profits for this year are at a record breaking high. Isnt Dubya from texas?...where most of the OIL companies in the USA are..hmmm ODD and 2+2=4....So whos really calling the shots hmmm? and whats this they have private civilains over in iraq building oil pipes and such...because after all we own the refineries there...but we dont own the "oil" why are we really over there? protect oil company profits perhaps? hmmmm oh but no we are fighting terrism and we are "training" the iraqy people to defend themselves...Does anyone else smell BULLSHIT?

When we first started this war I supported it. We seriously needed Saddam out of there and so did the iraqy people..but now I see it more as gaurd duty than anything else...and that sickens me. Our troops putting their lives on the line to protect PROFITS...That infuriates me to no end...

But people like that lady on the plane also piss me off...were the fuck would she be without our soldiers to fight for HER freedom and to KEEP IT...bitchs like that should move away they dont deserve the HONOR and privledge to be seated next to a soldier...a warrior...a hero....WHOORAW!....JMO


11/30/2005 8:56 am

You have every right to feel like you do about this and that idiot woman on that flight could not have payed those soldiers a bigger disrespect.

There's a smart way to behave about this and a really stupid one and she did not make the smart one.

So if they had been stationed soemwhere other than Iraq she'd have thought they were cool?

Completely ridiculous!



dasher121 36M

11/30/2005 9:30 am

Well put by all above, that woman was a grade A moron! I roomed with three brothers in college who came from a military family tradition. And they were doing exactly what you mentioned, they did it to get their education paid for and to follow their tradition.
Although I didnt see eye to eye with alot of their perspectives, and dislike GW greatly, still had ample loads of respect for what they were and still are doing. Everyone seems to want to "shoot the representative". Like you said, these are just regular guys and gals, trying to do something with their life, and this is what they chose. Respect their sacrafice to leave their home and families.

Efilnikufecin69 47M

12/1/2005 3:06 am

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darkbard_01 61

12/1/2005 1:39 pm

Yes I am disgusted by that kind of attitude. The Bush administration is one of the most corrupt in history, but one reason I detest it is their mis-use of our most precious asset, the lives of our brave military people. I have 2 cousins and 2 nephews who are in the services and I pray that they will all be safe in this situation... Thanks for voicing support for our people and pointing out that questioning this administration can be a patriotic act too....

outforfun501 35M
1 post
12/1/2005 2:38 pm

The War? Bush? I really don't give a rats ass about either one. It's my fellow Americians I care about. People I went to high school with are over in Iraq. Your neighbors son or daughter are over there. Maybe it's your son or daughter. Most of them enrolled before the war started. I would be too if the military would have accepted me. Not for a cause against terrorism or the relief of opressed race or country, but because they wanted the best start possible in life. To slander the youth of today because they wanted a good start and war happened to come along during thier term is down right disrespectful and extremly unpatriotic. Time and time again we go to war, and our family, friends, and countymen are sacrificed to pay the price of our freedom today. In my opinion, anyone who does or has(i.e.Vietnam troops) bad mouthed our military for doing it's duty in obeying our commander and chief is a discrce to our country, our flag, and everything we stand for. Can I say what that woman said was wrong? No, we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to thier own opinions. I just wish people would take into consideration the price paid for that freedom before they draw their conclusions.

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/2/2005 4:03 am

Efil - how right you are...our men and women in uniform represent everything that we stand for and to turn our backs on them and claim to be patriotic???? I don't understand it.

Having typing problems, were you?

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/2/2005 4:11 am

PK - exactly...that single person who excercises his freedom and joins the military shouldn't be held responsible for the corrupt actions of his leader.
lol@"Cheney's puppet"....very true.

Nightstalker - I couldn't agree more. Our initial reasons for going into Iraq were good ones, although the intel and planning behind it was a bit twisted and incomplete. But what are we doing? Go to Iraq and ask any person on the streets and they will tell you that things are worse now for them then they have been in a long time. And then to turn on the TV and hear Bush go on and on with his bullshit about liberating Iraq and how the people there are grateful to us...such lies make me sick with desbelief at how so many people support him still.

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/2/2005 4:18 am

KC - "So if they had been stationed soemwhere other than Iraq she'd have thought they were cool?"
Who knows....probably. What an idiot she is!!

Dasher - "to respect the choice they've made" It sounds so simple, dosen't it? So why can't more people figure it out?

Darkbard - Favorite quote:
"A true patriot is someone who is willing to defend his country from his government."

Outforfun - grasped exactly what my point was.

PrincessKarma 43F
6188 posts
12/2/2005 7:02 am

I beg to differ on the reasons for going into Iraq being good ones... if Kuwait had not been an oil-rich country, Desert Shield/Desert Storm would never have happened. If Dubya's Oedipal urge to outdo Poppa George hadn't been that strong he wouldn't have lied and manipulated things to send troops to take over Iraq instead of cleaning up Afghanistan like it should have been done when the military went over to kick the Taliban out. Add that to Uncle Dickie's Halliburton connctions and voilá! an oil war disguised as "liberating the Iraqi people".

Other than that, it's all true, they are worse off than before, all because Dubya does what Uncle Dickie tells him to. They should both be impeachd, and all their cronies, too. Unfortunately, Congress is firmly in the pockets of the lobbyists, and money talks very eloquently. It's the poor who end up paying for it with their lives, entering the military to pay for an education, to pave the way for a better life... and leaving that life in the sand thousands of miles away from home.

The Big Bang was the mother of all orgasms.PrincessKarma

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
12/2/2005 7:36 am

PK - well thats very true money talks if it had been anywere else we wouldnt have done anything about it but that oil needed protection and the oil companies that fund our government representives in their elections couldnt have that you know... but you cant say that getting rid of saddam wasnt a good thing. I do agree that oil and money were bigger reasons for us to go to war of course they will never admit that . Bringing down that regime was a good thing IMHO. What Saddam was doing to his people was wrong and in a way Saddam was a bigger threat than Osama...but I dont think we should have abandonded takeing out Osama and his taliban like we did. but germany has taught us that you cant fight a war on two fronts...its not a good idea. We should have pulled out once Saddam was captured...and went back over to Afganistan to finish what we started there before Osama is able to regroup and attack us again....JMO

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/3/2005 4:37 am

PK and Nightstalker - I know that the oil was the main reason for the war and I hate that fact.....knowing that my loved ones and friends are fighting for someone elses greed. Night, I agree with you totally on Saddam needing to be removed, but our guys have the technology and training to have taken care of him in a few well planned covert ops. If we had done it that way we would never have had to weaken out troops in Afganistan and this whole thing could have been wrapped up a long time ago. PK is right about Bush following Daddy's footsteps and about them all being corrupt and stupid. I just don't get how the American people can be blind to this or keep silent if they do see it.
We impeached Clinton for far far less.....why the hell is Bush still in office??? If only someone would just give Bush a blowjob....then we could impeach him.

FriendlybutKinky 49M

12/3/2005 2:24 pm

Love the blog..

I spent my year in Iraq as an activated National Guard reservist. When I joined the military, my prayer was, "Dear Lord, please don't let me be misused as an instument of foreign policy." The jury is still out on the Iraq war in the final analysis, but the evidence is mounting that it was not a great idea and not handled as well as it should have been.

My experience is that I have been treated extremely well, beyond any reasonable expectations by strangers and the public as a whole. It is pretty rare these days that anyone takes their anti-war sentiments out on soldiers as individuals. At least it seems that Americans learned this lesson pretty well from Vietnam.

I respect the fact that in many nations, the military is a greater threat to the people than any outside threat. Costa Rica eliminated its military for this reason, and has benefitted greatly from this practice.

Americans are lucky in that our own military is not viewed as a threat to the people it is created to protect. As an all volunteer force, it is not in societies best interest to blame soldiers for the conflicts the nation as a whole (through its political representatives) choose to engage in. This only diminishes the military overall as people become dissuaded from serving. Better to spit on the politician who voted for the war than the soldier who serves at his nation's bidding.

This "grateful nation" thing can get a bit out of hand though. When I was at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, some of the patient/soldiers there were tired of being endlessly thanked, I even saw one sign that read, "Please, don't thank me." While I was there, Michael Jackson was roaming the halls on an official visit, trying to rehabilitate his reputation, which at the time was still on trial. The endless parade of celebrities and politicians coming through the door can get a bit excessive.

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/3/2005 3:45 pm

Friendly - Better to spit on the politician who voted for the war than the soldier who serves at his nation's bidding.
How right you are. Sadly, there are so many who can't seem to separate the politicians from the warriors.
And as for the thank yous.....I think they would mean more and be less tiresome if there weren't so many people who say it as simple lip service. If the only people who said it were the ones who really meant it...not those who were simply trying to make themselves look good.
The fact that politicians/celebrities think of our troops as "photo ops" makes me sick.

rm_nthee 32M
1 post
12/3/2005 7:56 pm

im in the marines n im bout to deploy does it mean im one of the president puppet! HELL NO...being in the marines is juss a job for me...soon i'll be out n continue my civilian life

curious082385 31F
4925 posts
12/4/2005 4:10 pm

nthee - exactly, just a job. That's how it is for most of those in the military. Take care over there in Iraq.

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