Darrell Scott Testimony  

angelofmercy5 58F
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5/19/2006 1:08 pm

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Darrell Scott Testimony

----- DARRELL SCOTT TESTIMONY
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this, hmm? On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:


"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy-it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. "I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best. This was written way before I knew I would be speaking here today:

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

" Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and reek havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately s eek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. "Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes-He did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America, and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA - I give to you a sincere challenge. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"


Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech. Please send this out to everyone you can.


VATraveler1948 68M

5/19/2006 1:21 pm

Those are powerful words. As a nation we certainly have lost sight of the very foundation of our great nation. Our elected officials do try to legislate solutions when the problems are really moral in nature.


mycin62 54F

5/19/2006 1:25 pm

WOW, Angel, very powerful!!! I will be sending people over here for a read!


HighPocKets1938 77M

5/19/2006 1:34 pm

I agree whole heartedly. As a Lifetime member of te N R A (National Rifleman Association for over 23 years and an Annual member for some 18 years prior to becoming a Life Member), I would like to extend everyone the invitation to visit the N R A website to see just what they are about. However, a note to those that run into problems accessing their site, if you have Nortons as your virus protection program you may have to do a google (or other browser)search as Norton BY DEFAULT ON PURPOSE DOES NOT list the N R A as an approved site, but they do list All anti gun and ALL Anti American groups that they can BY DEFAULT AND REFUSE TO CHANGE THAT POSITION.


rm_yukonpaul 51M
1120 posts
5/19/2006 1:34 pm

I believe in the separation of church and state. Let the families teach their children about God and religion, not schools. Who is to say what religion is the right one. There are many religions in this world, many beliefs. Prayer does not belong in schools.


papyrina 50F
21133 posts
5/19/2006 1:43 pm

strong words,i may not agree with him totally as God fearing folk have caused more wars than any other thing and teenagers for a time usually rant about the Church and call it old fashioned etc.
For me a return to basics ,parents and schools from play group teaching respect for others and ones material items,respect for ones elders and people in authority but sadly some thing we teach go wrong as how do we say respect the police when in the news we see them be violent,take back handers,our judges,councilmen and politicians who have all forgotten basic goodness and respect for them selves,let alone others.

All children get the basic goodness,right and wrongs are taught before age 5 after that it takes a lot of hard work to change that.

The media by making us all beautiful and thin,fashionable and saying if we don't wear or do this were not in the in crowd,this hurts and confuses teenagers more than God ever will.
The consumer and thats each and everyone of us ,is at fault for falling for all this crap over the years,once we the people start being hear ed not that we shout as we want the latest mobile,the best sunglasses,the cutest outfit i don't think things will change only get worse as more kids feel left out,broken families,no decent adult figure to guide,there are so many things to confuse and alienate children,parents too busy to chat,ask or just be there.

i don't know what the answer is,but


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papyrina 50F
21133 posts
5/19/2006 1:44 pm

Boy do i babble when i get going,
Do i make any sense


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rm_gerson42 52M
2419 posts
5/19/2006 1:52 pm

Wow. What a great speech that was. There will be a great many different viewpoints on this subject. This is simply not something that will achieve consensus. It's not the schools fault in my opinion, damned if they do, damned if they don't. Schools should not be held accountable for teaching our children our morals. That starts with family at home. They also have to abide by law in order to receive funding. The key words to me in the speech were "body, mind and spirt". If we can have a subtle shift of thought that the spirit lies within ourselves and God is simply a term defining what our spirit says a higher power should be, I believe the rest follow.


evilgothgirl 51F

5/19/2006 2:08 pm

Right on Yukon and saintlianna!!

I want religion out of our schools..completely. My kid was sent home for wearing a pentagram. That is a symbol of our religion. I asked that if she cannot wear here neckless, then no child can wear a cross. Simple? Hell yes! But alas, a pentagram is a sign of satan, and a cross is of god...ignorance is flourishing in our schools, lead by the powers that be.

We must seperate church and state. There are too many different ideologies, and non are wrong.


rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
5/19/2006 2:12 pm

    Quoting rm_yukonpaul:
    I believe in the separation of church and state. Let the families teach their children about God and religion, not schools. Who is to say what religion is the right one. There are many religions in this world, many beliefs. Prayer does not belong in schools.
I just wonder if the kid was a Muslim and praying to Allah, or Hindu and praying to Ganesha if this speech would have had the same effect. I would have to put my money on a resounding no.

Gotta go with
on this one.


rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
5/19/2006 2:13 pm

    Quoting evilgothgirl:
    Right on Yukon and saintlianna!!

    I want religion out of our schools..completely. My kid was sent home for wearing a pentagram. That is a symbol of our religion. I asked that if she cannot wear here neckless, then no child can wear a cross. Simple? Hell yes! But alas, a pentagram is a sign of satan, and a cross is of god...ignorance is flourishing in our schools, lead by the powers that be.

    We must seperate church and state. There are too many different ideologies, and non are wrong.
Example # 3. Thank you Goth.


oldude1946 70M

5/19/2006 3:41 pm

He is so right!


cru1972 44M
4407 posts
5/19/2006 3:41 pm

Shiver's I believe in the seperation of church and state, to a degree. Do not teach in school other than our church based schools (catholic, and perroquialare our choices here) but DO allow prayer in schools. And The pledge of Allegience

on a side note I learned this in the 70's Guns don't kill people; people kill people


firestarter665 42M/39F

5/19/2006 3:43 pm

I can see where some of you are coming from in saying "seperate church and state", but I believe that some people have taken this too far. Children should not learn religion in schools unless it is a school specifically for religion. Religion should be handed to us from our parents. But when you omit God completely, know matter what God or Spirit you believe in, then there is a problem.

I believe that Darell Scott made a valid point, evil lies within. I will send this out to everyone I know. Thanks angel for posting this!


papyrina 50F
21133 posts
5/19/2006 3:53 pm

or maybe a social studdies type subject where all relgions are taught equally so a better understandig of what each ethnic group is


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jd29992z 54M
3888 posts
5/19/2006 4:34 pm

Very interesting all the voices of opinions. Maybe the public schools are not the places to teach religion but they sure should be the place to teach MORALS! "Hey don't beet up little Johnny thats wrong!" "Hey don't take Susie's lunch money thats wrong!" Should schools let kids run amuck because teaching morals could be thought as teaching religion? All societies have laws hmmmm based on good morals if we don't teach kids good morals now or don't punish for bad behavior what will happen then? Discipline, punishment for breaking the rules and morals are what is missing. Every one is soooooooooooooo afraid to offend someone well I AM OFFENDED that schools pander to the easily offended. Yes it was powerful what he said and if you think about it maybe he was right just a little. The guns did not make them do it, video games did not make them do it so what is it maybe the lack of morals?????? Right from wrong????? Do anything and never get punished?????? Thing about it. Well you acn have your soap bax back see you JD


rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
5/19/2006 5:14 pm

    Quoting cru1972:
    Shiver's I believe in the seperation of church and state, to a degree. Do not teach in school other than our church based schools (catholic, and perroquialare our choices here) but DO allow prayer in schools. And The pledge of Allegience

    on a side note I learned this in the 70's Guns don't kill people; people kill people
Sorry, this is the last time, then I will be good.

Guns don't kill people; people kill people......true, but it would be much easier to take down someone clubbing people with a crobar or whacking them with rocks, not lettin loose with an AK (and no, not hunting rifles, ect.)

THAT type of gun should be banned period, end of story. Anyone caught with one should be charged with attempted murder.

Thank you Angel.


horny4770 60M
8158 posts
5/19/2006 5:35 pm

My heart goes out to any parent who has lost a child; especially to violence.

However morality cannot be legislated; it has to be taught. But by whom? Teachers? Someone that slaps their mate or children around? Hopefully by someone with sound moral values. My sons were taught their beliefs at home by their parents from early on. Surprizing I know but it's true. It's always been my veiw that church and state should have a separation; I don't want someone who beieves that the tragedy of September 11 was a glorified act of God...any god, to teach that to my grandchildren. Sending our kids off anywhere and letting someone raise them is the problem. Parents don't want to be parents, they want to be friends with their kids. Friends don't always make the best decisions when it comes to friends; they want to be popular. While I agree it takes a village; if the whole village refuses to take responsibility, the kids are taught none.

While Mr. Scott makes some valid points; there is no solution addressed. I think prayer belongs in schools, but on a personal basis; can't anyone stop another from praying, it just isn't possible. It's easy to suggest blame be placed here or there but the reality of the matter is; bad things do happen because there is evil present. All of the Holy Wars ever fought should have taught us something, but do we learn? We have never been able to remove it.

I know this is long winded but I'm not responsible, it's Papy's fault cuz she got me started. LOL (passing the buck)

Keep the Government out of screwing up any more lives with laws that don't work; they fix one thing and break seven more. Fix the homes these kids come from and you'll fix the kids. Good kids grow up to be good adults; some not so good kids do too but many don't.


complexlysimple 34M

5/19/2006 5:46 pm

Wow... maybe we should talk about separation of God, religion, spirituality and morality ....all four very different things, yet generally get clumped together.

To me:

God = a higher power/being/force/whatever

spirituality = being in touch with ones soul and believing in something beyond the material

morality = having value for life - connecting the spiritual with the material

religion = a group with stated common spiritual views (it's almost a dirty word in my mind, since it usually though not always seems to result in a loss of independent thinking and assuming others of the same group hold the exact same view - which is nearly impossible)

but those are just my thoughts...and they will most likely change..

Now as for the original post I very much agree with Mr. Scott, spirituality is most definitely a must, and is very much needed in everyone's life, in whatever form they choose....


Nightguy_1961 55M
4866 posts
5/19/2006 5:54 pm

angel,

This is a great post. I tend to shy away from discussions on politics and religion, because of the volatile nature of the topics. There are so many different viewpoints and opinions on these matters, the only consesus that can be reached is that all viewpoints should be respected, period.

I think that after Columbine, the media was looking for a scapegoat and the NRA sufficed as such a scapegoat. What I find interesting is that there was a shooting spree here in the Southeastern US which was stopped when a student retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and stopped the attacker who surrendered when faced with someone who said, "Enough".

Am I supporting vigilante justice? Hell no. But it doesn't make sense to try and restrict the rights of thousands of law abiding citizens due to the illegal actions of a few. But in this day and age, the tail wags the dog, I'm sad to say.

As far as religion, this argument has raged for decades: separation of church & state. I don't think one sole religious belief should be endorsed by the State(government). However, there has been cases where all other religious beliefs have been respected and accepted more in schools before the Christian faith (I don't adhere to any particular faith btw). That seems to be a case of PC run amok.

Just my viewpoint...

NG61...fading back into the shadows...


puntachueca 105M

5/19/2006 6:04 pm

Thank you. I will forward this speech on.
An issue...prayer should not be politicised...everyone should be allowed to pray to whatever form of God they believe in...it is the prayer and spirit that counts, not the creed.


libgemOH 56M/52F

5/19/2006 6:34 pm

Angel, WOW! Very strong and true words! The parts about the scapegoat, I agree with totally. It wasn't the guns, it was those boys. And I also agree in freedom to pray, but I have a little difficulty with that one personally.

While freedom of religion is a sound ideal, it is often not the reality. I was raised in the 70's as a Jewish kid in a predominantly Christian society. I was the odd one. The other kids didn't know what Hanakah was or matzah at Passover or any of the things that I grew up with. And I was really pretty ignorant of Christmas and all the stuff they did.

And because of this, I was the odd one. I didn't fit in. This very feeling I grew up with was the reason for separation of church and state, which was not done all that well back in the 70's when you consider it was Christmas and Easter break back in those days, leaving the little Jewish kid out again.

My religion growing up is not the only one by any stretch, especially given the huge influx of immigration to the US in recent years. Schools are doing a better job of educating the children about different cultures and holidays these days, but at a cost, that cost being the very freedom to pray that we are trying to preserve and defend.

I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that I have just taken over your blog so I'll just end it with... thank you for posting this! -B


SacredStarDance

5/19/2006 6:47 pm

Great Post Angel..

I Think we lack discipline, and teaching morals and leading by example with our children..

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VATraveler1948 68M

5/19/2006 7:11 pm

Like Nightguy, I take great precautions to steer clear of discussions on religion and politics and this one has roots in both areas. However, I want to make a little bit of an exception on this topic. The documents that record the founding of the government of the United States are very clear in their references to the existence, and dependence, on God. The founders were also clear that there should be a clear delineation between the roles of the government and the role of the citizen. This religious freedom has been one of the driving forces that has brought immigrants to the United States throughout our comparatively brief history. As has often been said... ours is freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.. This acknowledgment of dependence on God hasn't been removed from the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or even the face of our currency... only from our society.

Just like Nightguy said, the practice of what we refer to as Political Correctness has run amok. Our society, and most notably, our schools go out of the way to defer to the rights (and feelings) of the few while infringing on the rights (and feelings) of the many. I don't believe that any religious beliefs or practices should be taught in the schools, that is the role of the family. But at the same time it is wrong to deny the rights of anyone to express themselves whether it be in meditation or in prayer.

Our society has lost it's point of reference, this certainly isn't only the fault of the schools. In fact, this year the Congress of the United States had to include language in it's military appropriations legislation to restore a military chaplains rights to pray in the name of the Deity that he worships. How in the world have we screwed up our nation like this?

I don't presume to tell anyone how they should believe. The freedom to practice whatever religion or belief system that they want to is at the very core of our constitution. I served in the US military for 22 years and as part of that service I swore to defend the Constitution and the freedoms that are guaranteed therein against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. It makes me sick to see our freedoms being eaten away from within. We have clearly become a nation that stresses freedom FROM religion and that is plain wrong. I don't have any solutions but I strongly agree with the words that Darrell Scott spoke to congress more than seven years ago (April 27, 1999). The problems that we are experiencing in this country today are of our own making and we are the only solution.

One of my favorite quotations comes from the cartoonist Walt Kelly. It first appeared on a poster for Earth Day in 1970. It said "We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us". In 1971, he (Walt Kelly) did a two panel version with Pogo and Porky in a trash filled swamp. The quote appeared in a text balloon, indicating Pogo responding to Porky with "YEP, SON, WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." It was true in 1970 and it is still true today.


seek_u_topia 50M

5/19/2006 8:24 pm

    Quoting evilgothgirl:
    Right on Yukon and saintlianna!!

    I want religion out of our schools..completely. My kid was sent home for wearing a pentagram. That is a symbol of our religion. I asked that if she cannot wear here neckless, then no child can wear a cross. Simple? Hell yes! But alas, a pentagram is a sign of satan, and a cross is of god...ignorance is flourishing in our schools, lead by the powers that be.

    We must seperate church and state. There are too many different ideologies, and non are wrong.
I have to agree with EvilgothGirl, Yukon, Saintlianna and others on the separation of church and state issue.

I certainly think Mr. Scoot makes some good points, but once we allow religion in schools, we invite entirely new bases for problems and excentuation of differences. I have to tell you, living in the Bible belt, my family really feels isolated because we don't belong to a church. We are the "heathens" in the neighborhood (wife is Jewish and I was raised catholic). My kids feel it. Why legitimize religion as a basis for differentiation?

We all have the right to believe what we want to believe. As we all know, there are some horribly hateful groups out there, but they are allowed to existed because our constitution granted them the same rights all Americans share.

What qualifies as religion? Think about it, could certain cults and such qualify as religions? Would they have the right to have their teachings expressed in our public schools, or does religion in schools relate only to the most popular religions?

Respectfully, I think our nation's founders got it right by calling for this separation.


angelofmercy5 58F
17881 posts
5/19/2006 8:36 pm

Wow Guys! I absolutely love it that we ARE free here to state our opinion. And I appreciate each and every comment here. We are so fortunate that we DO accept each other here and understand that we are entitled to have our own opinion. Before I printed this...I realized that it may cause some controversy. But now....I am proud of all of your for so eloquently stating your opinions while respecting each others. We learn from each other...and THAT is the important thing. Thank you my friends!


redswallow777 48M
6810 posts
5/19/2006 9:05 pm

Mmmmmm....somehow angel I don't think if there is a god, she cares if we can pray to her in school....she doesn't need our prayers...we do.

I agree morality needs to be taught....I don't agree it should be legistated.


tillerbabe 55F

5/19/2006 11:33 pm

I'm "on it" thank you! {=}


marcusgarvey008 45M

5/20/2006 12:53 am

Hi,

I think morality means 'adhering to set of mores accepted by a group.' Morality is not about inner connection between your self and your spirit, it is about what someone else designates as right or wrong. There's the rub, what's right, what's wrong, and who decides it? That was the job of religion for a long time. But as we evolve and the world gets smaller and more connected, as we rub elbows with people from other cultures we quickly begin to see that there are differing points of view over what is 'right' and 'wrong'.

The problem is in viewing the world AS IF there WAS actually 'right' or 'wrong', or 'good' or 'evil' or 'black' or 'white... Those things do not exist. They are mental constructs we create to explain phenomena we percieve in the world around us. The problem with these constructs is that we create them in a simplistic manner. They do not really exist. Show me 'good'. Show me 'wrong'. Show me 'black'. There is no such thing as black... it is a construct we've created simply because our eyes cannot see, and our brains could not visualize wavelengths of light beyond a certain frequency. But there is not actually a wavelength for 'black'.

Sound arcane? There's a point here... These constructs are simplistic, dualistic. They rely on 'either/or' thinking. Any basically trained cognitive psychologist will tell you that this type of distorted thinking is one of the root causes of psychological disturbance or cognitive dissonance. Any buddhist will tell you that distorted thinking, not seeing reality clearly, is the cause of suffering. Dualistic thinking is the root cause of conflict.

THe world exists in the spectrum of reality, the 16 million definable frequencies of color that exist between black adn white, and the millions more that exist beyond what our eyes can see. Your definition of 'right' may be very different from mine. Morals are the imposition of values on a group by generally accepted doctrine.

'Forgetting God' means forgetting someone else's particular brand of mentally constructed godhead. Putting 'prayer in schools' means formalizing someone elses moral code, and belief system. What about teachign kids to think for themselves, rather than being sheep and praying to a god they may or may not truly believe in if they did some soul searching?

I agree with Scott that evil and good, and the full spectrum of everything in between lie within us. Looking within yourself, knowing yourself, and being aware of your values, and the effects of your actions on others means owning your own ability to create good or evil. Having a spiritual connection with yourself, spiritual beliefs, can be great. But externally imposed beliefs, even willingly accepted, lead to the belief that all OTHER beliefs are 'wrong'. If I'm right, you must be wrong... But that's not true.

No one can stop someone from praying in school. But 'putting prayer back in school' means imposing religious beliefs on people that may not agree, or be able to stand up and disagree. It is a slipperly slope.

Again, I rant in someone else's blog, and I apologize. I mean no offense, and I do respect other's rights to hold their own viewpoints. It is the diversity of viewpoints that is important, because none of them are right. They are just different.

Teaching morals means imposing your will, controlling, and generally leads to abuse of power over the minority.

Thanks for listening...


4u281 64M

5/20/2006 1:43 am

I agree if you can not support the right for prayer you can not support the right to choose a religion I am a atheist but whole heartedly support everyones right to choose and when they take away from society it becomes antisocial and don't confuse that with anti socialists cuz thats me , yes a republican horny atheists
thanks Angel it takes a lot of guts
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cru1972 44M
4407 posts
5/20/2006 7:47 am

    Quoting rm_saintlianna:
    Sorry, this is the last time, then I will be good.

    Guns don't kill people; people kill people......true, but it would be much easier to take down someone clubbing people with a crobar or whacking them with rocks, not lettin loose with an AK (and no, not hunting rifles, ect.)

    THAT type of gun should be banned period, end of story. Anyone caught with one should be charged with attempted murder.

    Thank you Angel.
I own many guns and I belive I should be able to own whatever kind that are legal. I agree that such guns as the AK Or the one's that the druglords use such as the Mach10 should not be allowed. know what I mean? nothing good can come from assault rifle's. PERIOD


frbnkslady 48F
6183 posts
5/20/2006 11:08 pm

I believe in the separation of school and church.. that should be taught at home, along with manners, respect, honor, loyalty and lots of other things that are lacking in our communities. We have school that are religion based. BUT I think a person should be allowed to prayer NO matter where they are, and prayer to WHOM ever they want. And if people go back and read, the pentagram, did NOT start out as a devil worship symbol, it morphed into one.
I also agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY that guns don't kill people, people kill people.. I am truly sorry for all that have gone through this kind of horror. And it IS A HORROR. I don't think I could have survived school if we had to worry about this kind of stuff. Granted we had the knives, drugs and chit.. but not the guns. We got our asses beat at school, beat at home and sent back to school, and if we didn't talk our way back into school, we got it again. School was a place to learn, it wasn't the teachers/schools place to learn about respect. Home is to blame.
Sorry Angel... AWESOME post ty. T

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alamo1235 58M
995 posts
5/21/2006 1:31 pm

Thank you for posting this. I have not seen it before but I agree and I will pass it on.

Thank you again for this awesome post.


rm_sinful01forU 40M
117 posts
5/24/2006 2:40 am

    Quoting rm_yukonpaul:
    I believe in the separation of church and state. Let the families teach their children about God and religion, not schools. Who is to say what religion is the right one. There are many religions in this world, many beliefs. Prayer does not belong in schools.
Yes people should not be telling children whp to pray to or to pray but what DARRELL SCOTT was refering to is the fact that they want let our children pray if they want to so by default, they are advocating atheism thus violating "seperation of church and state". So, you should technically be on his(our) side.


rm_yukonpaul 51M
1120 posts
5/24/2006 7:24 am

    Quoting rm_sinful01forU:
    Yes people should not be telling children whp to pray to or to pray but what DARRELL SCOTT was refering to is the fact that they want let our children pray if they want to so by default, they are advocating atheism thus violating "seperation of church and state". So, you should technically be on his(our) side.
Sorry, but I am having a difficult time understanding you. Making kids pray or setting aside prayer time in schools is not appropriate. Since when is atheism a religion?


rm_sinful01forU 40M
117 posts
5/24/2006 10:51 pm

    Quoting rm_yukonpaul:
    Sorry, but I am having a difficult time understanding you. Making kids pray or setting aside prayer time in schools is not appropriate. Since when is atheism a religion?
I'm not saying the schools should force anything on anybody, forcing atheism is not right either. Sitting aside time for students to pray to thier own God or just time to reflect wouldn't be a bad thing. But, what I have a peeve about is not letting the children decide if they want to pray. If they dont then fine if they do then dont infrenge their right to. I don't believe that schols should be teah children about god either, but by banning god from school you are banning that child's right to worship how thay want to worship. Thus, the state is meddling in religion. Something that we both dont want. We are on the same side you just dont see that by banning religion the state is promating atheism which is be the way a religion in that the dis belief in something is the same as the belief in something. (also check out the questionarie on your profile when you first filled it out doesnt it include atheism as a choice for a religion)


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