Fluffy vs Terri  

_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F
6527 posts
3/30/2005 11:18 am

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Fluffy vs Terri

This morning while I was making coffee, the news on the radio didn’t make me smile…The topic was Terri...It left me sad, very sad.

I mean , pets are "put down" just about every day of the year. Pets with (and I'm not trying to be flippant here) with more expressive ability than Terri Schaivo currently has. Yet after considering the veterinary evidence we're allowed to put Fluffster the Bunny (yes the chocolate eggs caused this Easter reference) out of her misery without the law, let alone congress, getting involved.

Obviously most people don't form the same bonds with their pets as they do with their spouses and human relatives. But people do form emotional bonds with their pets that extend over many years. (It's for another day to discuss whether Pussy has an emotional bond to us, or just knows where the next meal is coming from).
And when Pussy, Kitty, Fluffy, and Spot get renal failure (or whatever) it is an emotional wrench to decide that they're not going to enjoy a life with an incurable disease and little hope of palliative care. People don't put their pets down lightly. We trust them to do it, and we trust them to get it about right. Most of the time people don't prolong their pets suffering. We know when to pull the plug.
But with humans incapable of expressing their opinions we probably err on the side of prolonging life too long. We should treat people more like dogs at the end of their lives.

Liefs Coffee and a knuffel for Fluffy

Erik_Bloodaxe 56M

3/30/2005 1:46 pm

I tend to agree with you, Coffee. However, you are entering the moral maze. Good luck!

keithcancook 60M
17718 posts
3/30/2005 2:47 pm

I think that humans are expressing themselves from both sides of the issue and rather loudly at that. The line is so fine here that I don't think that a "right" answer exists in this case.

ChrisDL 47M

3/30/2005 3:01 pm

I'm not the sort of person who weeps, but I have when our dogs have passed on. But I couldn't shed a tear when both my grandmothers died last year and I feel bad about that.

_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

3/30/2005 10:36 pm

Eric,...this blog is me....thoughts of coffee, I am not trying to convince anyone or sell anything .
Morals of Coffee it sounds good to me


_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

3/30/2005 10:38 pm

Chris...crying doesnt mean you dont care.

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
3/31/2005 4:37 am

i agree coffee on this one,it breaks my heart that she is slowly being starved to death when there are medicines to do it quicker and more respectfully,my living will is made and all my family know my wishes on this,also with terry its the fight over who has legal custody that pains me also,to fight over a woman is tragic.Let her rest in peace,

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papyrina 51F
21133 posts
3/31/2005 11:57 am

i've just seen the news,May God guide her soul into the peacefulness that she deserves, and that he family find peace inthis life too,

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rm_19hungry52 64M

4/1/2005 12:25 pm

coffee i agree we need to look at ways of prolonging pain and suffering as a lot of people have,no one deserves to suffer like terri did,i feel polictiains need to stay out of this subject its hard enough on the familys involved as it is

MUTigerinOPKS 48M

4/1/2005 1:22 pm

I think your opinion is sick. Life is always precious and for those that wanted to care for her in her current state, they should have been allowed! I personally have a family friend who has a son in this state, and they care for him like any other child. He laughs and cries (it doesn't look like us of course) but he does. He eats through a tube and it is their son. they will never give up on him nor will they murder him just because he is different.

GoddessOfTheDawn 105F
11240 posts
4/2/2005 12:20 am

I am glad we can help our animals suffering end when it becomes just too much.

As Tigerin don't understand obviously is that life IS precious -and any decision like that is NOT to be taken lightly- but there ARE limits... but hey, that's just my opinion.

nightstogether 56M

4/3/2005 9:32 am

I tend to agree with you. I am sad that Terri was kept alive for so long and that a legal argument had to be fought through so many instances, bringing pain and suffering to those still capable of feeling it. Her sad life should have been ended, in my opinion, much earlier, without the degradation and without what will now simply be hatred and bad memories.

private-intellectual (.de)

MUTigerinOPKS 48M

4/5/2005 10:31 am

what is not argued is the desire of the person in question. sure, he was her legal husband but has failed, for up to 10 years to prove her desire or provide any legal document. her parents wanted to take care of her and that should be enough for our society to fight for life.

in the case of someone who does not want heroic measures taken, then we should have employ legal incumberance to them.

_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

4/6/2005 1:56 pm

rest in peace, Terri

Lustfulone2k4 76M

4/8/2005 7:40 pm

As someone who lives close to the hospice where Terri was, I have to say it was a circus there 24/7. If these people were really concerned about Terri or people in Terri's condition, why don't they then donate their time with other hospice patients. Most won't and that is tragic, for to me, it makes their "statement" worthless. My grandparents (God rest their soul) always told me that actions ALWAYS speak louder than words; it was true then and it is still true now. My hope is that both sides of Terri's family will find peace.

LuausHidesErred 51F
1 post
4/11/2005 5:17 am

yes i'm sure it was a circus there -just as it would be if any husband were trying to kill his wife in the every day world. i believe in a case like this there would & will be people crawling out of the wood work for such a cause.but ultimately her loving husband was the one who caused all the commotion!-end of story!the only worthless statement here is michael schiavo.i think that about sums it all up.

_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

4/16/2005 6:37 pm


_CoffeeNoCream_ 52F

4/16/2005 6:38 pm

thx for the comments

rm_h0rknee1 49M

4/26/2005 2:04 am

Time... For some it is merely a magazine... For others, it is the basis to measure...

What has time taught us...? For one, if you do not wish to be kept alive by artificial means, state so on paper and make that opinion known to ALL who could have a hand in the decision... If you want to be kept alive NO MATTER WHAT then that opinion must also be shared with those who may have a say in your life...

As stated in a song by the band Rush, "We are only immortal, for a limited time"... Many live their lives believing they are immortal, that "NOTHING" can happen to them... When it does, and NOTHING is legally documented, it is TOO LATE... You ARE at the mercy of THE legal decision maker in your life... The decision makers MAY not have YOUR best interests at heart, but their own bias and ignorance suggesting what is best for you!!! Can you blame the husband for wanting to mercifully end Terri's life? With that option eliminated, he took the only other method available by having the feeding tube pulled... If you believe him, he acted in her best interests to help her end her suffering... Can you blame her family? They believe she should be kept alive as there is no written legal proof that she wanted her life terminated if prolonged under the circumstances that kept her alive. The issues after the fact, remains in FL or PA, "proper burial" vs. cremation MIGHT show Michael Shiavo's true intentions, but still will never show Terri's wishes... All that can be done now is to learn from what happened so your wishes can AND WILL be carried out!

beech1234 47M

6/23/2005 4:36 pm

There was a lot going on around this issue to distract us, but in the end the only one truly suffering was Terri...and suffer she did for many years. Those around her might have been sad, or very inconvenienced (no matter what side of the issue they stood on), but only Terri suffered. I think Coffee's comparison to the compassion we show our pets versus the compassion not given to humans is very valid. In the end, the argument only had to do with the selfishness of individuals, the opportunity seen by others to wave a flag for their respective issues and causes, and even television ratings for that matter, all the while a poor woman's existence was prolonged only for their benefit. It's too bad that humane treatment of animals doesn't extend to humans. A little ironic isn't it?

rm__AnyGirl_ 51F
246 posts
6/25/2005 10:20 am

I hope Terri finally found some peace

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