A.B.E.  

TheQuietGuy2005 54M
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6/29/2006 12:28 pm

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A.B.E.

It’s a well-known curiosity of life in the Sceptered Isle that the Scots dislike the English. In fact, it would appear that for many Scots dislike is too mild a word.

It’s a stereotype of course. I can’t claim for one moment that all the Scots hate all of the English but it does reflect a certain truth. It’s a truth that comes out particularly at times like this, a World Cup year.

When it comes to football, this United Kingdom is shattered into pieces: one kingdom, four teams. And when it comes to England taking part in any such tournament, the Scots tend to work on the ABE principal: Anyone But England. I have no doubt that when England play Portugal on Sunday the Scots will be packing the pubs of Glasgow and Aberdeen and Edinburgh to cheer on the Portuguese.

I’m not sure why this animosity exists but it’s seemingly well-entrenched. Certainly the Scots have a fierce sense of their own nationality and culture. Perhaps it’s because the English defeated the Scots (with, I might add, the help of other Scots) in the dim and distant past and subsequently subsumed Scotland into a single kingdom ruled primarily from England. Maybe it’s because of more recent land-grabbing legislation which displaced a substantial number of the Highland Scots (leading to widespread poverty and emigration to Canada and America). Maybe it’s just that they still feel that their autonomy has somehow been stolen by those of us living south of the border, despite the fact that the leading members of the government are unrepentant Scots and that central government subsidises the Scots by a far higher amount per head than it does any other part of the UK.

Whatever the reason, you ignore this situation at your peril as one leading confectionary manufacturer has recently learned. Mars Incorporated is a sponsor of the World Cup this time around and have relabelled their best-selling Mars Bars with the word “Believe”, linking this word through its advertising with the belief that the English team, this time, might just come out on top and lift the trophy.

The problem is that this faith doesn’t appeal in quite the same way in Scotland as it does in England and sales north of the border have, apparently, plummeted. Even that long-favoured Scottish treat, the deep-fried Mars Bar, has now fallen out of favour. Of course, this trend may lead ultimately to an improvement of Scottish levels of health but the effect on the Mars income statement may not be quite so uplifting.

Of course, what may well wind those anti-English Scots up more than anything else is that their hatred isn’t reciprocated. Actually, as a general rule we quite like the Scots. Hateful, isn’t it?

Jx


HotDev1l 44M
1265 posts
6/29/2006 3:19 pm

Bloody sell out with your silver ball


GB_Cple 66M/55F  
3037 posts
6/29/2006 11:39 pm

Hummm Q, your knowlage of English/Scotish history seems to be a bit rusty. In 1603 the English crown passed to James VI of Scotland as nearest relative of Elizabeth I, and he became James I of England, as well as retaining the Scottish crown. The crown remained in the hands of the Scottish House of Stuart untill 1714. It was in fact during the reign of Queen Anne, also a Stuart that both crowns were combined, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain was formed.
The Stuarts chose to rule both countries from London and not Edinburgh.

Ater the death of Queen Anne in 1714 Parliament gave the crown to George I, a great grandson though the female line of James I of England & James VI of Scotland, but cutting out other more closer related members of the Stuart family.

So in fact it sort of remains in the Scottish hands to this day, as Elizabeth II is a direct desentdant of George I, even though the name of the Royal house has changed from Stuart to Hanover, Saxe Coburg Gotha, Winsor, and now to Mountbatten-Winsor. (something the Queen did very quietly a few years ago )

Even so, English fans do support the Scottish teams, in the sadly very few occasions that they qualify for international competitions.
It's not our fault that we beat them so often at football either, although we don't do to well when playing rugby against them

If only they had learned to play cricket!

Kind regards (with tongue firmly in cheek)
GBC

P.S.
I think the ScotsNats would claim that they could live very well on all those oil and gas reserves off their coastline in the North Sea , without help from the Central Government.


CelticFlower 50F

6/30/2006 11:51 am

I have to say as a Scot i do not hate the English, my mum is from South of the Border.
The highland clearances meant many people being transported thousands of miles from home to inhospitable climes. We were also forced to give up many of the parts of our identity as a nation eg. wearing of the kilt and playing bagpipes.
What i have found over the years though is the difference in attitude from people in other countries to Scots/English. I am asked here,at the moment 'Are you English?'. I reply no i`m Scottish and their faces light up and there is a noticeable change in attitude. The conversation blossoms about the beauty of my country and the friendliness of its people.
So i`m not sure who i will support tomorrow but i am proud of where i come from no matter what.
CF
xx


EE407 41F
3903 posts
7/2/2006 1:03 am

I'm sorry England lost


cassandrabear 48M/34F

7/10/2006 5:19 am

I can vouch that at least some Scots love the English!!!!

Cassie!!


cassandrabear 48M/34F

7/10/2006 5:32 am

I find your comments strange, concidering the damage that your last Tory Government inflicted on us as a nation.

They closed the steel works, ship building and mining industries. Trialed the poll tax on use first to see if they could push it past the English, drained the oil faster than we could pump it, putting millions on to the dole.

All this was done in the last thirty years, without starting on the last 3 hundred.

Don't hate the English, just the government.

Esp love one little English woman!!!!

Bear


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