The phone call didn  

AstirRelicLatah 64M
1288 posts
8/21/2006 8:03 am

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The phone call didn

Over the weekend I was driving home and had this forbidding feeling that the phone was going to ring when I got there. Luckily, when I got home, the phone hadn’t and didn’t ring with the call I was hope never comes…So, we made it through another week without that phone call, the one that comes from the military…telling us something terrible happened to our son.

It’s not often that I get that panic, but it does come and it comes on a semi-regular basis. This led me start wondering what would happen if our leaders had a requirement of having their children serve in combat units when they decided we should go to war.

I’m so sick of hearing about the “sacrifice” our soldiers are making from our politicians. It makes them sound like they care…I think the only way to make them care is for their children to serve and to serve on the front lines…Then, if they decide we need to go to war, they can really feel the sacrifice of our soldiers in a very personal way.

On my ride home I was also thinking of the recruiting tactics our military uses to get people to sign up…In my opinion, it’s just one big lie….They say whatever it takes to get our young people to sign up and then they won’t let them out after the reality of their lies becomes apparent.

This whole syndrome reminds me of puppies in dog suits. We have these two wonderful four and half month old puppies. They both weigh about fifty pounds and sort of look like dogs, except their not, they’re still are and act like very young puppies. It reminds me of the young men and women who mostly populate our armed services.

I see them as puppies in dog suits. They certainly look like they’re full grown except if you were to look in their heads, you would still see puppies with brains that have not fully formed….We are asking them to make life and death decisions about themselves and their future and we allow them to do so….

Instead we should do what the Jews do when you want to join our faith. We spend a great deal of time trying to talk you out of making the conversion…In fact, Jewish law requires that you have three meetings with a Rabbi where he or she tries to convince you that being a Jew is not a good idea…

We should do this with our military recruits…We should require that they meet three times with a recruiter or in my scenario an un-recruiter who tries to keep our young people from enlisting…Then, if they really want to, at least we’ve made an effort.

Now, there would be a problem with this, we probably wouldn’t get enough people to actually populate our war machine….And, if we really had a national emergency, then we wouldn’t have people available for fighting…Hey, that might even force us to think about other strategies that could work.

I know this is a totally ridiculous idea, but I’m resentful of the way our puppies (aka our children) are talked into “serving”.

I sit here still hoping the phone doesn’t ring. Do you have anything in your life going on where you hope your phone doesn’t ring? Or, better yet, is there anything going on in your life where you hope the phone does ring…Thanks as always for reading.

bipolybabe 55F

8/21/2006 8:48 am

I get so mad when I see Bush bumper stickers and "Support Our Troops" in combination. Supporting our troops should mean bring them home, don't let them lose their lives to protect corporate greed.

And, skier, this may sound silly to you, but I'll dedicate my next orgasm to protecting your son and the troops. I believe in sexual magic and in the power of love to transform the world.



Check out my blog Bi-Poly-Babe for more sensual, sexual pleasure!

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/21/2006 8:53 am:
That would work at least as well and probably better than praying for the troops...*grin*

rm_shannee2006 52F
3355 posts
8/21/2006 8:59 am

It probably is a good idea to have someone honestly point out the reality of war and the expectations placed on a young recruit...but the fact is when anyone between the ages of 14 and 25 hear no...then that's exactly what they want to do and desparately. Common sense doesn't even remotely prevail for many of them. No means "yes!!!" in their minds. I think that might backfire on us and we'd have even more kids joining.

My son considered it. I looked him in the eye and said to him point blank. Can you kill someone who did nothing to you just because someone tells you to? Can you look them in the eye and shoot them dead on the order of your superior officer?

He looked at me and blanched. He said nothing as he considered it.

Here's another question for you, I said...Can you live with the results if you can't shoot that person? Are you willing to sign away your right to refuse to kill someone on command? Cause you'll be put in jail if you refuse to kill on command my son....and you'll rot there for a good long time for refusing to follow the orders of a superior officer. And then any benefits you had earned will be stripped from you and you'll be dishonorably discharged and any idea of having college paid for will be gone...

His response was that "it's the reserves". I reminded him that we had few standing military personnel these's now the reservists who are serving when there's trouble foreign or domestic...not active miliary for the most part. I told him point blank that if there was a war, he'd be on the front lines. End of story.

If you aren't able to stand in front of someone and shoot him dead because you are ordered to, then you better not sign your right to refuse to do that away by going into the military in any way...reservist or not.

I know my son. He's the most gentle man I've ever known. He is incredibly slow to anger and he'd never consider killing for any reason that didn't have to do with preserving his life or the life of someone he loved. I said exactly what it took to get him to rethink his idea.

He chose not to enlist. I'm deeply relieved.

I hope your son makes it home safe. When is his tour of duty supposed to be complete? aside: fear, peace and hope...emotional companions.

Yup...this juiciness is from me....


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/21/2006 12:06 pm:
You obviously were much more successful with you son over that conversation than I. I often wonder what would have happened if I was more forceful with my opinion....He probably would have just and joined the marines instead. His tour is supposed to be over next June, but who knows with extensions and such. thanks.

phoenix639 49F

8/21/2006 9:55 am

I dearly hope that phone call never comes.

I know what you mean about recruit tactics, they appear to be much more attractive in the US than Britain though.

I know of a man on AdultFriendFinder whos life was made complete hell when he enlisted. Authority goes to some mens heads way too much & the young recruits end up broken men sometimes. No encouragement no praise.

Not good.

In Britain i know it can be tough in any of the forces, i have friends & family in the airforce & army & all of them enjoy it & always have done.

Totally agree with you on having the sons & daughters of politicians & royal family mingling with joe public on the frontline when needed.

But can we just keep all our boys & girls out of other peoples wars though.

Its becoming a 3rd world war.

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/21/2006 12:09 pm:
But can we just keep all our boys & girls out of other peoples wars though.

Probably not. Some country always needs to be farting over another country...and there is a legitimate problem with fundamental muslim groups...we also in my opinion are going about the whole thing incorrectly...but no one's asked my opinion today.

rm_songbird5419 62F
305 posts
8/21/2006 10:50 am

What you say about the recruiters is very true. My friend's young son, the father of her infant grandson, has been considering enlisting. His wife, also way too young, has developed a military wife fantasy. I hope he listens to his mother. He has been lately. He's growing up...perhaps his bride will do so as well...but I'm not holding my breath.

All you can do, my dear friend, is to stay as positive as you can and have faith that your son will come home alive and intact in every way. My thoughts are always with you, but you know that already.

If you are strong and push through the pain and the fear, you often find that happiness is waiting for you on the other side.

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/21/2006 12:12 pm:
Have your friend take Shannee's rant, memorize it and deliver it to her son and his wife. If they still go in after that, then I'm not sure anything else could be done. Thanks for your thoughts.

rm__Reality_ 105F
67 posts
8/21/2006 4:49 pm

As I read thru this thread, chills went up and down my spine. I came to Shannee's post and decided then and there that I would borrow her argument and recite it verbatim to my son and his wife. Then i came to Songbirds post and Skier's reply. I'm the friend Song speaks of. I thank you both .

My nightly prayers are always that our children return from this war healthy and with the ability to put it behind them and regain their youthful exuberance for life. They will never regain their innocence. God Bless them All

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/22/2006 12:39 pm:
Please memorize Shannee's rant and use it with your son. Then come up with a new one for your daughter in law. Being a military wife is no fun at all....She needs to understand that. Thanks for stopping by.

JuicyBBW1001 54F

8/21/2006 6:18 pm

I hope that call never comes for you. Speaking of calls time slipped away from me this morning and I forgot to write down the number and take it with me. I will try to remember tomorrow.
As for the call I am hoping will come is from my friend in Jupiter telling me that he is giving up on dating and has found his soulmate Moi but sigh that is wishful thinking.


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/22/2006 6:44 am:
I hope you get what you're looking for...but, I do have a questions, what actions are you taking to make your dreams come true?

rm_aWench4U 61M/61F
741 posts
8/21/2006 6:46 pm


My heart is breaking for you. I had the same fear for nearly five years while my first born son was in the Navy.

He enlisted with his eye on being assigned to an aircraft carrier, "because 1) the Navy had the best uniforms; 2) I (he) would sleep in a bed with clean sheets every night; and 3) when we (they) are in a war zone, we're (they're) still 50 miles off the coast, protected by battle ships, destroyers, etc." As he explained to me, the Navy isn't going to take any chances with 75-80 $30 MILLION dollar airplanes! Nothing about the 5-6000 sailors on the ship as support for those airplanes, but at least I sorta saw his point.

I tried to talk him out of enlisting, especially when he was thinking Army or Marines. In fact I threatened to disown him if joined the Marines because they're always the first ones in to any hot spot, and I knew I'd go crazy with worry. Like Shannee's son, my son is the most gentle, tenderhearted young man, and he couldn't imagine actually killing anyone. His argument to me was that as a Corpsman/Medic, he wouldn't be called on to kill. I had my doubts, but he was technically an adult, and I couldn't stop him. BTW, I love your visual of a puppy in a dog suit! It describes it so perfectly.

As far as you being consumed with panic over the call you never hope to get, all I can suggest is to pray to God (however you conceive that being) for your son's protection. There were many times when that was little comfort, but it was all that was available, so I took it.

A year ago I got a call I didn't want to get. My baby brother's wife (who was my favorite sister-in-law, and yes I know you're not supposed to have favorites---so sue me!) was diagnosed with an especially aggressive form of a very rare form of liver cancer. Without treatment, she would be gone in 4 months. If she chose to have treatment, it might kill her, or extend her life, but no one knew if it would, or for long. She had surgery (16 hours), with no guarantees, and got an extra four months to be with her 4 1/2 year son. She left this life on March 16 of this year, and that was another phone call I never wanted to get.

I'm hoping for a phone call from the man who holds my heart, and I bleieve it will come someday. I don't know when, or what I'll be doing when it comes. But I've made up my mind to keep on living even as I go on waiting.

Blessings of peace on you, Skier!

Remember the past but do not dwell there.
Face the future where all our hopes stand.


AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/22/2006 12:43 pm:
I'm actually not consumed with panic and realize that I've been using my son as an excuse to go on rants that I can do without that excuse...I took actions to try to keep him out, but his need to join was larger than my need for him not to. Thanks so much for your thoughts.

I'm so sorry about your sister in law. (yes you are allowed to have favorites.) Hopefully you'll all get to say goodbye in a manner that supports all of you.

Thanks for your kind thoughts. I can feel them across the country.

catkit13 66F

8/23/2006 10:22 pm

i hope you know that while you're waiting for the call that will not happen, we're all along side you, holding our collective breath as well! as for the white men in suits in washington, you've raised the same issue that we argued over vietnam, remember? and, eventually, we did overcome, but not soon enough, i'm afraid
pray, laugh, cry, and surround yourself with peace and love - these will be your saving graces
your friend, the hippie from the 60s,

AstirRelicLatah replies on 8/24/2006 7:30 am:
Thanks my hippie did our generation lost the sensibilities of the 60's...I suspect those who have an interest in leading us never had them in the first place...just like Shrub who really never served, he gets to pretend...I just wish he would do it someplace else.

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