Just a thought...  

Peche85 31F
828 posts
8/10/2006 6:02 pm

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Just a thought...


So I'm sure everyone by now has heard about the situation in London with the British government claiming to have 'foiled' attempts to blow up at least 10 planes.

Pretty scary stuff. And just happened to fit in perfectly with the War on Terrorism topic which we are studying in one of my classes just now.

From what I have read in newspapers and seen on TV, most people are saying they will still travel and that they might get run over or killed doing almost anything and you just have to continue living your life. Which is a good theory to go by.

But if I was in London just now getting on a plane, I would be freaking. I'm even paranoid that the uni bus will get blown up by terrorists lol. Not very likely, but it is always in the back of my mind when I'm travelling.

An interesting point is that it was American intelligence which led the British police to arrest the suspects. And as one lady put it "America gave us the intelligence, and they havn't been right about anything so far". Which is true.

How do we know this wasn't just a plan to gain more support against the War on Terrorism? Bush is always trying to find ways to justify it. Its funny when you compare what he says in his speeches to the reality of the situation. There is a trend of not being able to end a war in one country so he moves to another. I wonder how long it will be before he wants to send troops into the Middle East?

I was watching Fox News again the other night and they were saying how the US shouldn't be part of the UN anymore because one member of the UN said he didn't even know if Hezbollah are a terrorist group. I think he is just after world domination. Doesn't get it his way with the UN, so why should he be paying them money? Who cares about all the work they do for the rest of the world.

If they were planning to blow up the planes, good on them for catching them. But since the London bombings, they have been going after innocent people and not giving them basic human rights. They shot and killed one guy for wearing a backpack on the subway. They shot another guy and arrested him and his brother with no proof they were afiliated with any terrorist organisation.

So how do we know there were people trying to blow up the planes? Maybe it was just an excuse to arrest more Muslims who may or may not be terrorists. And maybe they just needed something big to happen to make everyone support the War on Terrorism.

rm_0rlukl 40M
4 posts
8/10/2006 10:41 pm

finally some one who thinks haha you are right, it does raise a lot of questions. Well here is something that will get you thinking. Bin laden the so called face of terrorism was put in place by US. he was trained and funded by CIA against sadam hussain when US troops could not officially get to him. He was funded so that he could send his men in and get saddam killed. But Bin ladens meeting with some muslim fanatics turned him around and he turned on US. Second the attack on afganistan and the whole so called government.How come the government in afgansitan is formed mostly of bushes partners in the oil buisness and people who have their money heavily invested in oil. After the war on terror in afghanistan the construction of a pipe line running through afgansitan was silently started. This carries oil from that part of the world into europe. This project was stopped because of binladen. Well some times i wonder if muslims are really behind any attacks at all. It wont surprise me if bush himself is funding some of the attacks. As far as people stay distracted from actual news by news such as war in israile and lebenon and in afganistan and iraq. the true deeds of the president goes un noticed and the foolish americans actually believe everything he says. Hey nice you have an intelligent conversation with some one


chasingfun27 38M
1108 posts
8/11/2006 12:52 am

    Quoting rm_0rlukl:
    finally some one who thinks haha you are right, it does raise a lot of questions. Well here is something that will get you thinking. Bin laden the so called face of terrorism was put in place by US. he was trained and funded by CIA against sadam hussain when US troops could not officially get to him. He was funded so that he could send his men in and get saddam killed. But Bin ladens meeting with some muslim fanatics turned him around and he turned on US. Second the attack on afganistan and the whole so called government.How come the government in afgansitan is formed mostly of bushes partners in the oil buisness and people who have their money heavily invested in oil. After the war on terror in afghanistan the construction of a pipe line running through afgansitan was silently started. This carries oil from that part of the world into europe. This project was stopped because of binladen. Well some times i wonder if muslims are really behind any attacks at all. It wont surprise me if bush himself is funding some of the attacks. As far as people stay distracted from actual news by news such as war in israile and lebenon and in afganistan and iraq. the true deeds of the president goes un noticed and the foolish americans actually believe everything he says. Hey nice you have an intelligent conversation with some one
Settle down son! A few of your facts are somewhat off, and the concept of the US funding the terror attacks is a bit paranoid.

Peche,
If you continue to ponder issues like those in this post then you may become as cynical as me!


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
8/11/2006 9:23 am

Its nice to see someone who thinks for themselves for a change...I encourage you to look on google video for the movie Loose Change 2nd edtion...its a very interesting look at 9/11.

Chasingfun - paraniod huh...did you know that Salem Bin Laden was a buiness partner of Bush's....did you know that Prescott Bush (Bush's grandfather) was a shareholder in the UBC...who sent funds to Nazi Germany...These are FACTS not specualtion...and there is plenty more...look it up is you dont believe me...I think Orluki's statment about Bush funding some of the attacks is more believeable than a 757 going 530 MPH...(the plane that hit the pentagon) by the way a 757's top speed is about half that...unless it was a nose dive but then the angle would be all wrong wouldnt it...If you are going to dispute facts please present some dont just name call...not being disrespectful or anything simply saying that most people would rather name call and take what they see on FOX news as 100% true(which it doesnt even hit the 50% mark as far as Im conserned)...instead of actaully looking into things themselves...


chasingfun27 38M
1108 posts
8/11/2006 7:24 pm

    Quoting nightstalker172:
    Its nice to see someone who thinks for themselves for a change...I encourage you to look on google video for the movie Loose Change 2nd edtion...its a very interesting look at 9/11.

    Chasingfun - paraniod huh...did you know that Salem Bin Laden was a buiness partner of Bush's....did you know that Prescott Bush (Bush's grandfather) was a shareholder in the UBC...who sent funds to Nazi Germany...These are FACTS not specualtion...and there is plenty more...look it up is you dont believe me...I think Orluki's statment about Bush funding some of the attacks is more believeable than a 757 going 530 MPH...(the plane that hit the pentagon) by the way a 757's top speed is about half that...unless it was a nose dive but then the angle would be all wrong wouldnt it...If you are going to dispute facts please present some dont just name call...not being disrespectful or anything simply saying that most people would rather name call and take what they see on FOX news as 100% true(which it doesnt even hit the 50% mark as far as Im conserned)...instead of actaully looking into things themselves...
Nightstalker,

The 'fact' that I was questioning, was Bin Laden being trained and funded by the CIA to assasinate Saddam; of course his links to the CIA came from the occupation of Afganistan by the Soviets.

I still think that to believe the US government funded the 9/11 attacks smacks of paranoia. Of course there is more to the story than the 'official' version and that many questions remain unanswered, such as, why have the Saudis never been accused of terrorist links, even though the majority of 9/11 attackers were Saudi nationals?

The US goverment being corrupt and having unsavoury connections? Fuck, of course. Is the terror threat being overstated in order to keep the populace subdued a la 1984? Definitely.

I'm not American so please don't accuse me of blindly believing right-wing media propaganda.

Good on you for questioning the system, if there had've been enough US citizens who'd done the same then we wouldn't have been exposed to 4 more unnecessary years of Bush's unpalatable policies. However, I'm just suggesting that everyone should maintain balance.

Cheers.


nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
8/12/2006 3:07 am

Chasing - Osama was in fact on the payroll..as to his purpose Im not sure it was assination but more of trouble makeing....Because Saddam was a valueable customer you know...getting all his weapons and such from us..haveing him killed wouldnt be good for business...But Osama being trained by the CIA IS actaully true...


chasingfun27 38M
1108 posts
8/12/2006 4:01 am

    Quoting nightstalker172:
    Chasing - Osama was in fact on the payroll..as to his purpose Im not sure it was assination but more of trouble makeing....Because Saddam was a valueable customer you know...getting all his weapons and such from us..haveing him killed wouldnt be good for business...But Osama being trained by the CIA IS actaully true...
Of course he was on the payroll and had CIA training, that isn't in dispute. I just think you're confusing conflicts, because, as you say, at the time Osama was cosy with the US - so was Saddam. Saddam only really fell out with the US when he invaded Kuwait and drove up oil prices. Osama on the other hand grew to hate the US because of that exact conflict (the stationing and subsequent settling of US troops in places likes Saudi Arabia, issues like that etc.)

Osama was the darling of the US when he dared to take on the Soviets in Afganistan (this echoes Mao Zedong's contribution to the US efforts against Japan in WW2).


chasingfun27 38M
1108 posts
8/14/2006 12:25 am

    Quoting rm_mzhunyhole:
    Reading those two guys comments..I forgot what I was gonna say.


rm_nakishag 43M
14 posts
8/16/2006 3:01 am

The first thing I thought when I heard that was 'what else are they trying to cover up?'. Since the media can only concentrate on one thing at a time you might as well make it spectacular, then everything else going bad gets overlooked. Interesting that British intelligence (who have had much more practice at counter-terrorism over the years) didn't want to move for another week to see if anything else came out of the woodwork. But then they didn't lose a bunch of airliners in a morning, so are probably a little less paranoid.

A 757 wouldn't do 530 miles an hour in a dive either - at least not in one piece - the wings would tear off. Vmax is probably around 320 knots at sea level.

Peche, it's good to see you're still around!


sassybelle21 32F
13313 posts
8/19/2006 4:35 pm

I will be like you, freaking out and paranoid!! It would have been scary if 9/11 happened while I was in America last year God bless all the poor innocent souls and bravehearted firemen.


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