Peche85 31F
828 posts
3/28/2006 1:25 am

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3/29/2006 10:07 pm


*Sorry if this makes no sense, just had to get my frustration out lol.*

Right now I am supposed to be writing a two page essay on the Treaty of Waitangi. (For those of you that have never heard of it it is the agreement/treaty signed by the Queen and Maori Chiefs to give the Queen the sovereignty of NZ).

Theres lots of controversy about it because it was written in English and in Maori but the texts weren't a direct translation of one another.

My lecturer is completely biased and tells us that the Chiefs who signed it didn't understand what it meant and that the Pakeha (European) who wrote it purposely used the wrong words in the Maori text.

It just seems strange to me because the Maori language wasn't written and in different Iwi (tribes) the words meant different things. So how the hell was the guy writing it supposed to know which words to use? And its easy to say now that they didn't know what they were signing, but over 500 Chiefs signed it so they must have had some idea.

But when we asked the lecturer about it she just told us to read the readings for that week. And of course she chose the readings so of course they are going to support what she says.


At least its not worth anything, but we're supposed to read parts out for class so I better write something down!

In other news, I went shopping yesterday. Mainly to get some new jeans because all of mine are falling off me. I ended up spending $84 on lingerie and $50 on pants. And the pants are 2 sizes smaller than my jeans are! I actually tried them on by accident, they were on the wrong hanger and I tried them on and they fitted me so I checked the prize and realised they were a size smaller. Couldn't get the grin off my face for the rest of the day lol.

We are going out for dinner tomorrow night for T's birthday. Should be fun. And we're having a party for her on Saturday. I never want to plan a party again, I get so sick of people saying they are definately coming then saying they can only come for a little while and then saying they can't come but they might.

Okay, off to do some of this stupid homework, its 9.30pm and I'm getting up early to go to the 6am class at the gym!

velvethandsNZ 68M

3/28/2006 12:00 pm

Oh Dear
the old Tiriti problem again, how many other 'living' things do you know that get to be over 140 years old and still causing problems?

While I like the monarchy, I really do think NZ must become either a two island union or a single republic and give a UDI to great britain. That way the poms in Westminster can deal with those maori who want to argue the inarguable and unscrew the inscrutable!

My pet peeve in the whole thing - the fact that I can't go to Taupo and more and have to go to Toepaw instead! I even asked a senior maori elder why the change, and he said "we discovered during the 1990s that we had been pronouncing it wrong for six generations, so we fixed it! I ask you! If there was no written language before the Brits got here, and they wrote the local language phonetically as they did in dozens of other countries, how could anyone 'discover' wrong pronunciation??

Hope the gym went well, though I have to say that a class that starts at 6am sounds more like medieval penance to me!

NiceGuyMush 46M

3/28/2006 8:35 pm

Having been there and done that with the whole social science/geography/RMA thing, the one thing I learnt is that Academia of our society are the ones pushing the whole scial consience thing on us.

I'm an RMA consultant and regularly consult with the tangata whenua on marae, with the whole protocol thing. Its kind of cool in a way when the baggage gets left behind and its people dealing with people. But hey, I agree its about time the whole chip on the shoulder thing got left behind.

Our heritage and culture are important but whats is done is done and 140yrs ago things were different. Some of my best mates are Maori, do lots for their local marae, but the live breath and work in the modern world and get on with it. The ones who don't are just looking for an any excuse for not trying that they can get, which to my mind is not a cultural thing its a personal lack of motivation.

As my business coach would say - play above the line be a victor not a vitim!

Hope the study goes well and B'day dinner too.

sassybelle21 32F
13313 posts
3/29/2006 3:56 am

I knew about the treaty because I learned about it in my Intro to Law class a couple of semesters back

GoodiesNZ 42M

3/29/2006 6:44 am

All I can say is... that you must be going to Waikato Uni.. which is well-known for its bias in that direction... I had Margaret Wilson (the much "beloved" speaker of the house of parliamanet that she now is) as one of my lecturers when I was there - and she was one of the worst!

NiceGuyMush 46M

3/29/2006 5:51 pm


Mate thats why she got the job, because she is PC. Remember she was attourney general before that!
Dearest Mother Helen likes her good little girls...

As for the Benson Popes of the world - well we just won't go there!

Peche85 31F

3/29/2006 10:07 pm

My tutor explained it a lot better than the lecturer and even tho she is Maori too she wasn't biased. She told us exactly how to answer Treaty questions for the exam so at least I know what to write now, even if I don't totally agree with it.

There are parts I agree with but some of it is just crazy!

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