Yet Another Gas Boycott Urban Legend  

MissAnnThrope 56F
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5/8/2006 9:05 pm

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Yet Another Gas Boycott Urban Legend

I was just cruising blogs and I found this on the blog of dandelion60540. Poor woman. My first trip to her blog and she has lil ole Liberal me answering her post. Here is her post and my response:

Venezuela Dictator Vows To Bring Down U.S. Government

Venezuela government is sole owner of Citgo gasoline company


Venezuela Dictator Hugo Chavez has vowed to bring down the U.S. government. Chavez, president of Venezuela, told a TV audience: "Enough of imperialist aggression; we must tell the world: down with the U.S. empire. We have to bury imperialism this century."

The guest on his television program, beamed across Venezuela, was Cindy Sheehan, the antiwar activist. Chavez recently had as his guest Harry Belafonte, who called President Bush "the greatest terrorist in the world."

Chavez is pushing a socialist revolution and has a close alliance with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro.

Regardless of your feelings about the war in Iraq, the issue here is that we have a socialist dictator vowing to bring down the government of the U.S. And he is using our money to achieve his goal!

The Venezuela government, run by dictator Chavez, is the sole owner of Citgo gas company. Sales of products at Citgo stations send money back to Chavez to help him in his vow to bring down our government.

Take Action

Please decide that you will not be shopping at a Citgo station. Why should U.S. citizens who love freedom be financing a dictator who has vowed to take down our government?

Very important. Please forward this to your friends and family. Most of them don't know that Citgo is owned by the Venezuela government.


My response:

Actually, Chavez isn't a dictator, but a democratically elected President. Dictators aren't elected, they stage a coup and pronounce themselves President for life. Chavez doesn't do this.

If you do some searching, feelings on Chavez run along party lines. Those who think Pat Robertson rocks are the ones who are screaming to have him assassinated. Democrats and Moderates don't have a problem with the man, or his government.

Let's talk about what they're claiming he does. That he censors the press. Do a search. Bush wants to prosecute reporters under a rarely used espionage law from around 1918. He's harassed opponents? Shall we get into the tactics Karl Rove has used to harass for which he's actually proud? Including inviting skid row bums to a free buffet that didn't exist at the campaign headquarters of a Democratic candidate, when he was doing the state level campaign thing. Let's talk about the phone jamming for which Republicans have just been busted for, to try to keep the Democrats from being elected. Persecution of civil groups? Oh, you mean like the FBI getting the go ahead to spy on the ACLU, Greenpeace, The Catholic Workers Group, a group of Quakers, logger protesters, the list goes on. These are just a small number who are suing for the illegal wire taps.

Let's also not forget that Citgo was an American company and while it may have been bought up by Petróleos de Venezuela, it is headquartered in Houston, Texas. Running Citgo out of business puts the over 4000 people who work in the corporate office in HOUSTON TEXAS out of work and tens of thousands of independently owned gas stations out of business. Gas stations work like a franchise. No matter what the brand is, an individual owns it, not the corporation. So, you will be putting many thousands of Americans out of work with this boycott. That is, if a boycott like this had a chance in hell of working.

If people stopped buying Citgo gas, the ones that would truly suffer are the Americans who own the gas stations. They would have no business. However, Citgo could still sell its gas to other companies who are a bit short, other gas stations, etc. They would not suffer, only the little guy would. You would NOT be punishing a Liberal government, you would be punishing small business owners in this country, who tend to vote for Republicans. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Stop listening to just one side of the story and get the facts straight. When you start allowing Fox News and right wing mailing lists to do your thinking for you, you have lost your ability for rational thought.
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Now, I know the current administration is using the Castro comparison. But I'd rather use another comparison. This is from a right-wing op ed piece:

Mr. Chávez has achieved absolute power over all state institutions that might check his power. He controls the legislature, the Supreme Court, two armed forces, the gigantic state-owned oil company PDVSA.

Um... Bush has power over Congress, if he doesn't like a law they pass, he can veto it. Bush has now picked two Supreme Court Justices. He also slapped the court in the face by appointing Roberts Chief Justice. Bush is the commander in chief of all of the United States armed forces. He also has all those oil interests in blind trust and has all but sold Iraq's oil interests to Halliburton. So is Bush a dictator too?

We have a long history of just taking out world leaders we don't like. But Condi "cuntscab" Rice has actually been working with South American governments to try to get them to push Chavez out of office. He's threatening to stop all oil exports to the United States in retaliation. He's also said if we invade, Americans will die and this country will never get another drop of oil from them. Once again, the small business owner and the hapless soldier would suffer if this happens.

Now, all of this also says that Venezuelan people aren't capable of picking their own leaders. How nice to insult an entire country. There was an attempted coup in 2002 in Venezuela. Guess who was behind it? That's right, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act all led to the Bush administration. Don't we have enough to worry about with Iraq and the forgotten war in Afghanistan? With trying to find Osama Bin Laden? Do we have to try to start a war in Central America too?

The military coup in 2002 wasn't just backed by Washington, but it failed. Then Chavez actually had to be re-elected by the people of his country. We're not talking Peru, where television stations opposed to their government are shut down. We're not talking Colombia, where union leaders and organizers are murdered by the government. We're not even talking about the United States, where the President wants to charge reporters with espionage when they report improprieties in the government.

Now, there's also another email floating around the Internet, which is the exact opposite:

Looking for an easy way to protest Bush foreign policy week after week? And an easy way to help alleviate global poverty? Buy your gasoline at Citgo stations.

And tell your friends.

Of the top oil producing countries in the world, only one is a democracy with a president who was elected on a platform of using his nation's oil revenue to benefit the poor. The country is Venezuela. The President is Hugo Chavez. Call him "the Anti-Bush."

Citgo is a U.S. refining and marketing firm that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company. money you pay to Citgo goes primarily to Venezuela – not Saudi Arabia or the Middle East. There are 14,000 Citgo gas stations in the US. By buying your gasoline at Citgo, you are contributing to the billions of dollars that Venezuela's democratic government is using to provide health care, literacy and education, and subsidized food for the majority of Venezuelans.

Instead of using government to help the rich and the corporate, as Bush does, Chavez is using the resources and oil revenue of his government to help the poor in Venezuela. A country with so much oil wealth shouldn't have 60 percent of its people living in poverty, earning less than $2 per day. With a mass movement behind him, Chavez is confronting poverty in Venezuela. That's why large majorities have consistently backed him in democratic elections. And why the Bush administration supported an attempted military coup in 2002 that sought to overthrow Chavez.

So this is the opposite of a boycott. Call it a BUYcott. Spread the word.

Of course, if you can take mass transit or bike or walk to your job, you should do so. And we should all work for political changes that move our country toward a cleaner environment based on renewable energy. The BUYcott is for those of us who don't have a practical alternative to filling up our cars.

So get your gas at Citgo. And help fuel a democratic revolution in Venezuela.


So, it all depends on your point of view. If you're boycotting French and German companies, because they refused to help invade Iraq and you're calling French fries "Freedom Fries," then by all means, feel free to boycott.

BTW, that Associated Press report saying Chavez wants to rule for 25 years? Pure bullshit. What is before the Venezuelan people is a referendum that does away with term limits for the President of the country. If passed, he will be able to run every 6 years. So much for the liberal media.


lifeisablast333 53M

5/8/2006 10:03 pm

I gotta have my gas, got places to go, things to do, people to meet.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 1:30 pm:
Exactly. Unless you can rely on public transportation, you're stuck buying gas. It isn't exactly a product you can boycott, unless you go back to the horse and buggy.

Ginnung 37M

5/8/2006 10:23 pm

I know nothing of the issue, and am thus not foolish enough to pretend that my opinion on it is of any validity whatsoever. You, obviously have. This earns applause.

*Applauds*

Too many people are guided by the media in all things they do. It brings joy to my heart to see people refuse to do so.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 1:33 pm:
Too many people believe in blind faith when the people they like are in power. Too many people believe e-mail forwards. Too many people believe the hype. We want to invade Venezuela because they have oil and we don't. Not to mention, they try to take care of the poor there. How dare anyone care about the poor!

If there was any doubt that the current war in the Middle East is about oil, any moves against Venezuela should remove that doubt.

haversack_smith 40M
6192 posts
5/9/2006 12:28 am

I never understand why governments feel the need to keep poking their noses into other countries affairs like this. Aren't there enough internal problems to be worrying about?


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 1:35 pm:
Oil. It's all about oil in this case. An oil rich country with a President we didn't hand pick.

cuteNEway 41F

5/9/2006 3:21 am

My favorite of those emails is the one I get every six months or so that tells us all not to buy gas AT ALL. LMAO...like that'll ever happen!

Y'all see why I don't follow politics? Too much contradiction and way too many selfish moronic twits. They're all like Pinky and the Brain rolled into one government. You know what I mean? A blithering idiot and a megalomaniac who's intelligence is clouded by his neverending quest to take over the world.

And that is my political view

tee hee


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 1:36 pm:
But following politics is fun! Considering the current administration, I can't believe anyone isn't following along.

wildoats19622 54M
3483 posts
5/9/2006 1:35 pm

Miss Anne, I enjoy your posts more than you can realize.

TRUTH

You just don't see it anymore.

Wild

Crosswords increase your vocabulary. Cross words increase your blood pressure.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 2:03 pm:
Thanks wild.

RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/9/2006 1:50 pm

I'm WAY too concerned about what's happening in THIS country to worry about Chavez and Venezuela at the moment. Just for the record, I buyt my gas ONLY at no affiliated gas stations. I WILL NOT contribute one cent toward the profits of any major oil company. Sorry Ann, but I include Citgo in this. And if their franchisees start to lose money, perhaps they'll put pressure on the big wheels. But I digress.

confirmation number is 420. Hmmmmm.

VIVA BLF!

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 2:04 pm:
You know, those non-affiliated gas stations buy surplus gas from the big companies.

NickRules999 39M
9462 posts
5/9/2006 3:54 pm

I'm not sure I could boycott gas. Unless they start making cars that run on pure water, I may have to keep buying gas. One the other hand, since everybody seems to be boycotting something this month, I'm gona boycott religion. Actually, I have been doing that for a long time. I'm just making an official announcement.

Come into my realm! You aren't afraid...are you?


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 2:06 pm:
I personally boycott cauliflower. Not having a car, boycotting gas is a non-issue for me.

rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
5/9/2006 6:59 pm

Hijacking my issues again, eh?

Can't add anything other than the fact that Chavez has nothing against American people. Indeed, unlike much of the world, he understands that tens of millions of us oppose our government's foreign policy.

He approved a deal last November in which Citgo Petroleum gave millions of barrels of heating oil at a deep discount to the northeastern US, with the provision that it be used exclusively for low-income households.

He gave oil to poor Americans. And he didn't even publicize it.

Venezuela is Socialist? China is Communist, but I bet this woman has visited a China Inc., er... Wal*Mart in the past week.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 2:10 pm:
Again? Look, I said nothing here I didn't say when you had a similar post.

I had forgotten that Chavez offered the free oil last winter. I seem to remember though, our government told him to go to hell, poor people are meant to freeze to death. I know Bush wasn't happy about it.

That's the trouble. Chavez is a liberal and conservatives believe sharing and caring is socialist. When Catholic charities are monitored by the FBI as suspected communists for taking care of the poor, things are beyond strange.

But while China is communist, you're forgetting the most important thing about them, that warms the cockles of the right wing's hearts... They exploit the poor. Chavez isn't doing that.

blueguy1051 60M

5/9/2006 8:31 pm

For some reason, a lot of jingoism is running around blogland this week. And when you try to find out what started it, people start ranting about how they "love my country and I'm sick of people running it down". I guess Rove is doing a bangup job.

Combine the Politics of Fear with Dissent is Treason and what do you have? Sounds suspiciously totalitarian to me.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 2:13 pm:
You know what pisses me off about the people who scream that they love their country and those who don't like the current administration are running it down and should move to Russia? These are the very same people who screamed about Bill Clinton, who call Hillary nasty names, who feel that it's ok to criticize, as long as it's not the one they voted for. Talk about a bunch of hypocrites.

rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
5/11/2006 3:12 pm

She deleted the post. SHE DELETED HER POST!

Yep... dissent must be eliminated.


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/11/2006 7:54 pm:
Yep. I noticed that already. I was disappointed.

DIVISION77 39M  
8321 posts
5/12/2006 8:03 pm

I just dropped down $35.00 to fill my gas tank, Ann.

No, it wasn't a citgo station, but honestly......does it really matter anymore?

Castro will remain in power now, the same as he did when JFK's head was split wide open in Dallas then.

Nothing changes.

Boycotting a specific gasoline company won't change shit.

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/13/2006 12:38 pm:
Div, $35 isn't bad, considering what minivan and SUV drivers are now paying. Of course, SUV drivers having to pay through the nose thrills me. Especially those driving those 5 miles to the gallon Hummers.

You know, the ONLY reason they say Chavez is in bed with Castro is Venezuela is supplying Cuba with oil at a cut rate, instead of making them pay OPEC prices. Professional jealousy. As Voodoo pointed out, Citgo supplied poor families in this country with oil last winter. So how is what he's doing in Cuba any different than what he did here?

But no oil boycott is going to work. Period. I've stated why. There's no way any oil company is being run out of business, unless oil reserves dry up.

RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/13/2006 11:52 am

Yes I know Ann, and I know that boycotting is much like pissing into the wind. I just like tilting at windmills. Seriously, at least I feel like I've done SOMETHING. It's such a frustrating time for Americans. And you KNOW how well I deal with frustration. Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/13/2006 12:39 pm:
Yep. Look at how the PETA boycott of Proctor and Gamble has run them out of business. Look at how the right-wing religious boycotts of sponsers of "Desperate Housewives" is working. No one cares.

spacecadet561 59M

5/13/2006 3:41 pm

Well, folks, I just put $70.21 worth of gas into "trukzilla", which I have to keep around because the "better half" has horses and a trailer to haul them. That thing gets 10-11 mpg, but can haul anything we want to bring home. We also have two little cars that get 25-30 mpg, so we don't have to use trukzilla unless it's needed.

Just remember, Hitler became Chancellor of Germany because his party won the majority of votes in the 1932 elections.

SpaceCadetù


MissAnnThrope replies on 5/13/2006 4:00 pm:
Just remember, the failed coup in 2002 was United States sponsered. It failed. The people wanted Chavez back. He hasn't gone around exterminating Jews or invading countries either. He hasn't put anyone into prison camps, with no trial, no reading of rights, based on their religious background. There is no evidence of election fixing there, such as there was in 2004 in Ohio. Gee, who has done those things? Bush.

Gitmo is full of people being held with no charges, simply because they happen to be a certain race and religion. We invaded Iraq on false pretenses and seized their oil for Halliburton. WMDs found? Zero.

I still haven't seen any pictures of Chavez and Castro walking along, holding hands. But last year, a number of news outlets showed Bush and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia taking a walk doing just that. Wanna talk human rights violations? Let's talk Saudi Arabia. So, what's this Hitler comparison about anyway?

BLUEMOONPASSIONS 56M/51F
24 posts
6/12/2006 2:45 am

I did not know that at all!


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