What A Way To Go  

MissAnnThrope 56F
11679 posts
10/19/2005 1:32 am

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What A Way To Go

On October 7th, the body of character actor Charles Rocket was found with his throat slashed. Depending on the source, it was in a field near his CT home, or in his home.

His death was kept so quiet, no one knew he was dead outside of his family until this past weekend. As a result, there are people all over the net claming it's all a hoax. Perhaps this has to do with the fact that for a brief period, he was a cast member on Saturday Night Live. I'm completely unfamiliar with that part of his career. He was fired from the show for uttering the word fuck while ad libbing.

While he was a character actor, he was also an amazing artist and musician. He's credited as being a major influence for the Talking Heads. Long before he started acting, he was an influence in the art scene on the east coast, especially in New England. The man was actually a brilliant comic actor, who never quite got the break he deserved.

But what amazes me is, he was dead 10 days before it even made the news. You would think of someone was found with their throat cut in some sleepy town, it would be news until they determined if it was a murder or not, right? That is the main reason people think this is a hoax. But what really amazes me is, his death was ruled a suicide by the medical examiner.

I am in no way endorsing suicide with this post. Please keep that in mind.

He was found with his throat cut. How fucking hardcore a suicide is that? How do you even gather the strength to slash your own throat? How does a medical examiner make the distinction between murder and suicide in a case like that?

One of the things that really made me think about this is, we all have our own irrational fears of ways to die. Ways we never want to go. Some of mine have always been suffocation, drowning, stabbing and having my throat slashed. Painful, slow, as you bleed to death, you can't even breath and blood probably fills your lungs too. Suffocation, drowning and loss of blood combined. You can't even scream in pain.

People go on about how the way Ernest Hemingway killed himself was a manly death. He ate a gun. In no way is that as fucking hardcore as slitting your own throat. That makes eating a gun look like a pussy way out.

rm_VoodooGuru1 49M
2053 posts
10/19/2005 6:59 am

Friend of mine, Ron, from my punk days killed himself via self-immolation. Yep, gas can and a match.

I'm no stranger to self-loathing, but how much do you gotta hate yourself to do something like that?

rm_j7088 53M
17 posts
10/19/2005 8:08 am

but it can be done was done in japan for years
will be intrested so see how this plays out tho

DirtyLilSecret61 55F

10/19/2005 9:05 am

Having worked in the field of those who comb the crime scenes ... each one has its own gore, its own story. I've seen those who turned on the cars in the garage in mid-July, laying between the two vehicles for the family to come home to after a long weekend ... I've seen the mother found in the field in mid-August after her body was dumped there, multiple knife wounds, after almost two weeks ... I've seen the hanging of an unhappy teenager just a few doors down from my house, hanging in the upstairs front window, to show the world how unhappy she was ... I've seen the teenager who put a shotgun on the floor, leaned his jaw on it and pulled the trigger with his toe, leaving this scene for his parents to come home to - no note, no reason, just endless guilt and unanswered questions.

Sometimes I worry that I've become too numb to some things, be it from employment or the media.


AltumHunksUnite 53M

10/19/2005 10:27 am

I remember hearing that he died, but this is the first time hearing that he cut his own throat. Geez, how bad can someone's life be to do something like that?

Let me drive. I like the view

goddessofbitches 41M/33F

10/19/2005 7:24 pm

I really don't like talking about this stuff...but...

My biggest fear is drowning...mostly because I almost did drown when I was about 7 or 8. I had a swimming pool...above ground swimming pool...and it was probably about 4 1/2 feet high...and at the time...that's probably how tall I was...

Anyways...I went under to grab some rings me and my friend threw to the bottom...and while I was under, she moved a big 3 person raft over the area I was in. When I tried to come up...the raft was in my way. I pushed with my head as hard as I could and couldn't get it to move...so I swam over to my right to see if I could get by it...and the girl I was playing with moved it...(it was see through...) and when I tried to stand up...I couldn't. Finally...I did the only thing I could think of...I pounded on it 2 times...and started to float...I was burning in my chest from lack of air...and I knew I was about to take a breath..even if what I breathed in was water or air...and she moved it. I jumped up...and as I was catching my breath..she just looked at me...

"I thought you were dead...don't scare me like that..." she says

I looked at her and walked over and slapped her.
"You almost did kill me you dumbass" We got into a fist fight right there.

Later....once our parents broke up the fight and sat us down..she explained she only moved it once...and that it was supposed to be just a joke...she got grounded for being careless...

I didn't get grounded for slapping her...I got into trouble for calling her a dumbass...go figure...


Always The Bitch

AmberSolaire 42M

10/19/2005 8:10 pm

Isnt it really hard to cut a throat.You hear all these special forces true life accounts and they all say you have to saw away and it almost impossible to do it in one.Even executioners had to take more than one hack.How on earth can you do it yourself?

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lifeisablast333 54M

10/19/2005 9:35 pm

that is a hard core way to exit stage left, dripping....
I plan on being shot in the ass at 97 yrs old, crawling out a bedroom window, kilt by a mad hubbie!!!... I wish to be cremated, ashes put into a tall boy bud can, and shot down an oklahoma disposile well.......Tyhe Redneck

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
10/19/2005 10:26 pm

ah yes death....hmmmmm I think the most hardcore way to commit suicide would be setting yourself a blaze...burning alive would be the one way I wouldnt want to go Ill take ANY kind of death over that...regaurdless how painful because nothing is more painful than burning....but personally I think anyone who commits suicide no matter how they do it...isnt brave at all...its cowardly...they only do it because they cant deal with life....its a weak way out...it has no honor...

I fail to see how anyone could tell if it was a suicide simply by looking at it and knowing in two seconds....but if they take a closer look at is and examine the wound I think they can determind if it was a suicide or not....I would think a suicide would leave as clean a cut and someone just doing it in one full stroke...but it also depends on the object used....I would think a suicide will also be a more shallow cut that a murder...ah man now you reminded me of that Faces of Death clip I saw (not sure it was actaully a clip from Face of Death thats just what it said on the website my cousin and I found it at)...it was a russian excution out in the woods....they nearly took his head of with a hunting knife when they slashed his throat...and they of course there was the crying and pleading and then the garguling and they let him bleed out before they finished cutting his head off to show infront of the camera...I watched the clip three times....and couldnt watch it anymore....I had to make sure it was real...and Im not expert but it looked pretty real to me. but anyway...I never really heard of this guy dieing so..this is the first Ive heard of it so I might have to go look it up now...

rm_connor696 60M
834 posts
10/20/2005 6:15 am

I guess you have to be sincere, anyway. I dunno about manly. It's all hardcore. Elliot Smith stabbed himself through the heart. Although I like some of his music enormously, he never struck me as manly--whatever that is. But he certainly got this job done.

My fave--if I may use the term--is Alan Turing, the early computer scientist and deviser of the Turing machine. He did a lot of top-secret work for his government, and the British are kinda freaky about secrecy. He was also a gay man and thus hounded by said government for his liaisons. Finally tiring of it all, he prepared a poisoned ale and ate it.

As for suicide itself, I'd say neither brave nor cowardly. It's just a choice, a big one, and an entirely private matter. Sometimes it's all you have left to control.

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
10/20/2005 8:56 am

Voodoo, you have to really hate yourself or really have a schizophrenic disorder. If you remember, German hacker Hagbard Celine (real name Karl Koch) was sure the Illuminati was after him. He named himself after a character in "The Illuminatis Trilogy" and committed suicide in this way on May 23, 1989. Because, according to the book, "All the great anarchists died on the 23rd day of some month or other." While it was ruled a suicide, there are still some who think he was murdered.

j7088, in traditional Hara Kiri, you disembowel yourself with two knife cuts. Then your second cuts off your head, to put an end to your suffering. Brutal, grisly and considered the only honorable way to kill yourself if you lost face.

Lil, I don't think I could deal with a body found in mid-summer that had been dead for weeks based on the smell alone. But leaving no note, or hanging yourself in a window, that IS to hurt the people who are closest to you, to say "fuck you!" to the world. It's not so much killing yourself to be dead, but a final act of revenge. I used to know someone who was incredibly fucked up from his brother's suicide. His 16 year old brother came home from school the one day, wanted to talk, he told the brother not now. So, the 16 year old went and drew a bath and the next thing he and his mother knew, they heard a gun shot. The kid blew his brains out in the tub and to this day, he thinks if he had talked to his brother, he would have prevented the suicide. Talk about guilt.

Cleavis, it doesn't have to be how bad is your life, but how sick are you mentally too.

Mandy, I would have killed her. Being held under is scary, but kids always think it's funny. No concept. But as far as getting in trouble for calling her a dumbass... You had the right to beat her up for trying to kill her, but foul language is unacceptable, young lady. It does make sense in a way.

Redneck, do you want the bullet in the can too?

nightstalker, there are people who kill themselves because they don't see another way out and there are those who kill themselves because they're genuinely sick, either mentally or physically. Hunter S. Thompson killed himself because he was in excrutiating physical agony from a hip replacement that wasn't getting better. (He's the most recent I can think of.) Those who are mentally ill have a high risk, but then there are those who just kill themselves because they panic and can't think of another way out of their problems. Now, I don't think I've seen that clip, but there were people who did some analysis of the Nicholas Berg tape, who insist he was dead before he was beheaded. No gurgling, no scream from him, no bleeding. Not to mention, bad edits on the tape. I took a really good look at it, once I could bring myself to watch it and I have to agree with those people. Either that or, as soon as the spinal column was severed, he was incapable of all of that. (What you said about the Russian execution put me in mind of that. The lack of blood really did make me think.)

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
10/20/2005 5:22 pm

yea the nick berg tape was properganda...I actaully did see it. when you cut the throat...its like a cutting a fire hose with water running threw it...its gonna spray everywhere....now I compare that to the russian one I saw...the ground was soaked with it...and the way they did nick berg...they beheaded him starting at the back of the neck....with a HACKSAW....and they took like a whole minute to cut it off...Now there was screaming...however the guy wasnt moving...so they think that either he was dead already OR knocked out...and there actaully was screaming alittle but it was as if it was editied in....badly....and there wasnt as much of it as there should have been.

Now being mentally Ill is one thing...they cant help themselves because they dont know better but the people that do...Its not excuse...as for killing yourself to deal with pain...like Cancer or something like that...Its understandable...but still they are takeing the easy way out....my personal view...I would rather die screaming in pain...than to take my own life to spare me it...why?...because I prefer to go out fighting with every last breath...even if I know Im going to lose...thats just how I am....That to me is a death with honor.

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
10/21/2005 11:54 am

nighstalker, I agree it was propaganda. It was to get people here all worked up. And incite emotions it did. But the complete lack of blood and bad editing did make me wonder. That scream was a war cry though, not a scream.

See, if I'm going to die of something painful, I don't want to linger. I would be asking for Dr. Kevorkian, or heading to the Netherlands, where doctor assisted suicide is an option, after about a year of psychological counselling. The ones I don't get are the ones who kill themselves because they're bored with life.

My, this is a cheery thread.

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