Hide Your Daughters  

MissAnnThrope 56F
11679 posts
6/9/2006 7:49 pm

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Hide Your Daughters

It's official. Hell has frozen over. In spite of the efforts of the far right to have it banned, Merck got approval from the FDA yesterday for Gardasil.

What is Gardasil? It is a vaccine for women to prevent HPV, which causes 70% of cervical cancer and genital warts. The vaccine guards against four strains of HPV that cause those problems.

By the age of 50, 80% of women will have had some form of the HPV virus. Most are harmless. Most clear up on their own. But when it doesn't, two strains will lead to cancer and two to warts. Cervical cancer is the second leading cause of death for women. This vaccine will save up to 200,000 lives a year.

Great news, right? Well, yes and no. Clinical trials showed the best age to vaccinate a girl for this is around 11 or 12. Which got the right wing going. Don't you know if you take your daughters to be vaccinated against cancer, that because it's an STD that causes these cancers, they're going to run right out and start having sex? Yes, that really is the attitude, especially from those whackos at James Dodson's group, Focus on Family.

While Concerned Women For America said they had no problem with the vaccine, as it can save lives, the reaction wasn't the same over at Focus On Family. Spokeswoman Linda Klepacki, who is an extreme right to lifer said, "We can prevent it by the best public health method, and that's not having sex before marriage." So much for us damned hussies who have sex out of wedlock, eh? We should die if we want to have sex, or even enjoy sex. After all, it's supposed to be a burden a good Christian woman endures for her husband and to have children.

This is flawed thinking too. The forms of HPV that cause cervical cancer can live under the tip of the penis. In the 70s, the common thinking was, any woman who has had more than two sex partners in her life is at risk for cervical cancer and that hookers considered it an occupational hazard. Now, how many married men are caught with hookers every year? Granted, most hookers, at least ones who aren't crack whores have been insisting men use condoms for the past 20 years or so, which will prevent the the two types that cause cancer from coming in contact with the cervix or vagina. So that does lower the risk. But saying a woman should wait for marriage does not guarantee the man she marries won't have had unprotected sex with a woman who is carrying this STD. Women who were virgins when they married and have never had a sex partner other than their husbands have gotten HPV and cervical cancer. But then, women are martyrs and nothing but walking incubators to the Christian right.

The news isn't all good. The vaccine has been approved for women and girls between 9 and 26. So if you're too old, your risk for cancer and warts remains the same. Not to mention, private insurers have said they'll pay for the vaccine in girls who are the prime age to get it, 11 or 12, but not for adult women. The cost of the three shots you need for the full vaccine will be about $360. Which is really a small price to pay for your life. The shots also have to be given over a course of six months. You can't get them all at once. Which is bad news if you have time restraints and have trouble making time for the doctor, but it also means you're not spending a lot of money all at once for the vaccine, which is good, if this is going to be a burden on your wallet.

Now, even if you're in the right age group to get this vaccine, of course there are no guarantees. Which is why you should have a PAP smear every year. HPV causes 80% of cervical cancers. This won't guard against the causes of the other 20%.

Most doctors in this country should have access to the vaccine in a few weeks. So if you're a woman in the age group that can get this vaccine, I urge you to get it. If you've got a daughter in the right age group, please have her immunized. Then hide her from the boys, because once she's had all three shots, you know she's going to start seducing the boys. Or so Focus on Family says.


cuteNEway 41F

6/9/2006 8:00 pm

So instead of the side effects stating nausea headache diarrhea heart-murmur dizzyness dry-mouth liver disease and possibly death, the label will say:

WARNING:
This medication may cause you to become a sperm-burping gutterslut with no standards, morals or sexual restraint.


Puts a new spin on the term "sexual side effects" now doesn't it?

tee hee


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:26 am:
Warning: After being vaccinated, your 10 year old daughter will turn in her Barbies for Bratz dolls and start dressing like them while hanging on street corners.

Warning: After vaccinating your daughter, get ready for trips to NYC and Chicago because she will soon be fodder for Springer and Maury.

It's so ridiculous. If the kid asks what the vaccine is for, just tell her it's so she doesn't get a certain form of cancer, which is one of the leading causes of deaths in women. That should be enough for her.

DIVISION77 39M  
8321 posts
6/9/2006 8:15 pm

I think those Social Conservatives should look inward first before trying to decide morality for the rest of us.

Did you know that my high school was 95% Mormon?

Did you know that ALL of the sluts in my senior class were Mormon?

I wonder if their parents had any clue they were giving head during lunch hour?

I wonder how many of these hypocritical religious zealots have a clue as to what actually happens in their own home?

Something doesn't add up.

The HPV vaccination is simply a preventative measure.

It's the zealots who are implying the sexual connotation there, no one else.

Funny how that happens, isn't it?

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:30 am:
A friend of mine from years ago went to Catholic school. A year after graduation, she was the ONLY one on her yearbook page to not have gotten pregnant. The more sexually repressed a child's upbringing, the more they're going to want to do things like give blowjobs in the stairwells of the school, because they know it's taboo and they're being bad.

The religious zealots have no clue whatsoever. They have filthy minds and project their sexual thoughts on others. The more repressed the parent, the filthier their minds. Just look at Rick Santorum's rant this week on sodomy.

rm_saintlianna 45F
15466 posts
6/9/2006 8:50 pm

I want to give Jerry Falwell a beating. Just thought I would mention that.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:30 am:
I'll lend you the flogger. Just let me watch.

puntachueca 105M

6/9/2006 9:01 pm

I kind of wish all those self righteous guardians of our morality would wake up one morning and the men would find their dicks gone and the women would find they've got an STD.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:32 am:
The divorce hearings would be fun to watch, as each side accused the other of being the guilty party.

NickRules999 39M
9462 posts
6/9/2006 9:08 pm

Focus on Family? Yeah right. That group should be called Obey Us Coz We Think We're Right.

These are the same guys that attack Planned Parenthood. They're also the kind that wish they could stomp out sexual freedom in this country. Granted, not all sex is safe, which is why we have protection. And sometimes that fails, but we make the choice. Course, forcing teens to abstain is not gonna stop them. In fact, they'll do it to spite everyone.

I agree with Div. These self rightous assholes have more skeletons in their closets than anyone else.

This vaccine is a good thing. Anything that helps reduce, possibly stop, cancer is a good thing. These conservatives spun it around in the way they want the rest of us to hear it. Ya know, I can't wait till there's finally a cure for AIDS, coz I'll be very interested in what the zealots will say.

"AIDS was god's way of punishing people who have sex before marriage. This miracle cure undermine's god's law."

That's what they'll say.

Come into my realm! You aren't afraid...are you?


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:38 am:
Now Nick, don't you know Planned Parenthood does NOT give pap smears, STD testing and birth control to women who otherwise couldn't afford it, but instead force every woman who comes through their doors to have an abortion? It's utter nonsense.

I think this vaccine is a great thing, I wish it had been approved for HPV free women in my age group, so I could get it. They're currently trying to get approval for boys and young men. But they didn't this go round, because instances of penile cancer from HPV are rare. But it would also help to protect, especially in women who had parents who wouldn't let them get the vaccine.

What they don't seem to realize is, God has nothing to do with STDs. They have always been around. They are nature's way of helping to curb the population. But I thought AIDS was God's way of punishing gay men. Have they changed that?

header1979 37M
507 posts
6/9/2006 9:41 pm

Hey MissAnn,

I don't have a dog in this fight and certainly am not defending the position of Focus on the Family and Concerned Women of America but I read their positions as quoted in the health section of the New York Times today. According to the NY Times, Focus on the Family did not oppose the vaccine but opposed mandatory vaccination. Concerned Women of America did not oppose the vaccine and had no position on mandatory vaccination.

So the context of the Focus on the Family quote was mandatory vaccination not the voluntary use of the vaccine.

But, given the overall position of Focus on the Family on morality, I feel certain that their real position on the matter is as you described it.

An old time definition of a Puritan is some that is concerned that someone somewhere might be enjoying themselves.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 2:42 am:
Focus on Family has been against this vaccine from the start. They were asked not to make waves with the FDA the way they did with Plan B when it was up for approval as an OTC drug, which it is in other countries. That didn't get approval, so I was amazed that the vaccine was approved in any way, shape or form.

Dodson and his crew do worry that people might enjoy themselves. It's sad.

TheLilFondler 33F
2576 posts
6/10/2006 2:50 am

OMG the morons!!!!

i lost my virginity years ago.....
but i still have the box.....


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 11:52 am:
Well, the ultra-religious too are scared by science. Sure, they'll take antibiotics if they get sick, but I can introduce you to a few who don't believe in any immunizations at all for their kids.

TechSteve 49M

6/10/2006 6:58 am

    Quoting NickRules999:
    Focus on Family? Yeah right. That group should be called Obey Us Coz We Think We're Right.

    These are the same guys that attack Planned Parenthood. They're also the kind that wish they could stomp out sexual freedom in this country. Granted, not all sex is safe, which is why we have protection. And sometimes that fails, but we make the choice. Course, forcing teens to abstain is not gonna stop them. In fact, they'll do it to spite everyone.

    I agree with Div. These self rightous assholes have more skeletons in their closets than anyone else.

    This vaccine is a good thing. Anything that helps reduce, possibly stop, cancer is a good thing. These conservatives spun it around in the way they want the rest of us to hear it. Ya know, I can't wait till there's finally a cure for AIDS, coz I'll be very interested in what the zealots will say.

    "AIDS was god's way of punishing people who have sex before marriage. This miracle cure undermine's god's law."

    That's what they'll say.
I was thinking the same thing as Nick here.

When or if a cure for aids gets discovered or a vaccine to prevent the disease, it will be interesting to watch.

Steve


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 11:51 am:
A vaccine would be more realistic, but HIV tends to mutate the way the common cold or the flu does, making things far more difficult. So a cure or even a vaccine are big ifs in that case.

RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
6/10/2006 9:49 am

    Quoting rm_saintlianna:
    I want to give Jerry Falwell a beating. Just thought I would mention that.
Problem is Saint, he'll LIKE it.

The religious right will always believe that it knows BEST for everyone. To me they are no better than the fanatics of 9/11. Zealots of any stripe are dangerous. Legislating morality just doesn't work. It's a shame they have to try to do that, rather than teach their children properly. Just what are they afraid of anyway? Funny thing is, behind closed doors, they are often really sick people. Have I pissed off anyone yet? Joe

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 12:02 pm:
You haven't pissed me off yet. But you must be thinking of the ultra relgious conservatives who have been caught with hookers.

Transblucency 44M

6/10/2006 11:31 am

MissAnnThrope: You're a DFC vet? I... I love you. There, I said it.

I remember when I first came to this country and opened up the funny pages in my paper and saw the Family Circus cartoon for the first time.

I stared at it aghast in the same way I would have stared at my cereal bowl if a dessicated mouse corpse had bobbed to the surface of the milk.

My first thought ("What the fuck is this, shitting up my morning - what is this??" ) was quickly followed by the sense that I had made a terrible, ghastly mistake in moving to this country.

Luckily, a web search to find out if anyone else shared my antipathy led me to the DFC, and its Spinn-off, the PFC (alas, also now sadly defunct). Between the two sites, the insipid, slushy poison of Bil Keane's work has been successfully drawn, and I instead look forward to recaptioning it myself.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 12:10 pm:
Yes, I was a DFCer. I finished in the top ten in the stats, if I had taken credit for my anonymous comments, I would have been in the top five. I miss it so much. I could never realy get into It's A Dysfunctional Life. I wonder if any of the archives are still up. While it was gone from the spinnoff links page, for a while you could still access it, if you knew where to look. Heh. I still can't look at that comic strip without thinking of a caption.

Transblucency 44M

6/10/2006 3:28 pm

Nope, I didn't really dig Dysfunctional Life. But about a year after the demise of the DFC, Orrin resurrected a new version called the Psycho Family Circus that framed images on the King Newspaper site directly (i.e. didn't download them onto his server) and then offered a caption frame beneath it.

Unfortunately, King changed their image serving format about a year ago and the small PFC community lost its reason to exist. A small DFC kernel had been reconstituted, but to no avail.

Yeah, you can find the entire archives of the DFC online without much trouble.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/10/2006 3:50 pm:
I just wish Spinn would finish moving servers. I miss the forums and the bizarre links people find. *sigh*

popmuse01 35F

6/10/2006 10:03 pm

The crazy part about HPV is that using a condom isn't always 100% effective in preventing the spread of it...why don't they ever mention that?!?

I find it appalling that young people today don't know all the STD's and their side health affects...we definately need a better sex ed class than just telling these kids to not have sex until they are married. Hell my brother was more ignorant than I'd ever imagined and he and I were in the same high school though we'd had different health class teachers, the teaching was supposed to be the same (rolls eyes).

In any case, I'm soo glad that the vac got approved lol.

I'm leaving the site end of March. To those who want to keep in touch, see blog for details.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/11/2006 2:09 pm:
Condoms aren't 100% effective at all. Trojans have something like a 30% failure rate according to the chart on the Consumer Reports website and Durex ultra-thin comes in with a 2% failure rate. But Trojans have better advertising, so they're far more popular.

The ultra religious types with filthy minds actually think allowing their daughters to be vaccinated will encourage them to have risky sex out of wedlock. Funny thing about that is, most of the kids who signed the contract with Silver Ring Thing are sexually active. They just don't have vaginal sex, they've been told condoms are useless and the rates of herpes, anal warts, VD and thrush have been reported to be high. See, they were never told that anal and oral sex were immoral and bad. Only vaginal sex and that they're virgins until then. Mind you, their parents don't find out any of this until they're hauling them to the doctor to get them treated.

If you want scary, try the chat rooms here when the topic turns to sex education basics. The lack of knowledge on the part of adults is scary.

HBowt2 58F

6/11/2006 3:55 am

you mean there is something that will prevent cancer and someone doesnt want it.....now why doesn't that make any sense...


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/11/2006 2:10 pm:
Of course it doesn't make sense! But in their perfect world, their husbands aren't visiting prostitutes, their children are virgins until marriage, there is no reason for it in their minds, as long as you're both virgins on your wedding night. They are in a fantasy land.

DIVISION77 39M  
8321 posts
6/11/2006 1:36 pm

    Quoting rm_Dysgyzed:
    Oh, you wanton, wanton HUSSY you...

    Pride in thinking you know more than the religious right (or is that rite? *snicker*) the WRATH to scream about it, AND suggesting that Lust is not amongst the worst things???

    Better be careful, lest we find that you have disappeared in Virginia Beach or Lynchburg, VA (TRUE HORRORS!!)to be "indoctrinated".
    As we know this will require a full-scale lobotomy, it's going to be quite some challenge for me to come get you without you kicking, screaming, clawing and crying out against the demon that has come to carry you away! However, not to worry, I still have some of the tranquilizer serum, and I'll get you back some way or the other.

    Shiiitttt...I can see my Blog post on THAT now!

    Of course, at my age, I'm just condemned to whatever I've gotten (Hmmpff), but I would certainly have considered this at the time. I more than likely would have rejected the vaccine though as there aren't enough long-range studies to show long-term effects.
    Even 5 years wouldn't be enough for me...I need 20 years, at the least.
    We *know* how often the drug companies have put meds and procedures out there only to find much later that "Oh, we hadn't thought of that!" Of course, this only happens after we all have babies with one hand, are infertitle (not a problem for me, but devastating to many), break out into gross hives, have breast cancer or die in massive numbers. It's just a touch too damned late then.

    Still, I am pleased that we have the beginnings of an end to HPV...saving 200,000 lives a year...there's no argument there that it's a valid option that needs to be considered carefully on an individual basis.

    It really did shock me (I know, I know...it is still possible, although difficult) to find that my niece states she doesn't need to use condoms because the rate of HIV where she lives is so low, and she only has one partner at a time.
    I asked where she had gotten this idea and was told, of course, "teachers at school". We spoke about her sex ed class some and...
    This kid is going to be 17 years old in just a couple of weeks, and the schools have only emphasized HIV as the sexually transmitted disease of which to be aware??? WTF????

    So, Jade and I sat down and I explaned that HPV and Hepititis were what I most fear for her, and then I went to the web and found the free samples of condoms for her. Is she going to use them? That I don't know...and that, I can't do a thing about...and that, I wish in many ways I didn't have to deal with at all (I don't have the option to turn away from her though).
    But the little chick does now know...CONDOMS ALWAYS or GENITAL WARTS!!! (Oh, or was that a scare tactic employed a lot by the religious right? HeHehe. Well, they aren't the only ones who've used it, and dammit at 80% incident of HPV, scare tactics were part of a very valid statement).

    Shit. Next time, I'll make her promise to go into testing with her guy as the rite of passage into her sexual life.

    And I *will* discuss this vaccine with her...discuss all aspects with her, and let her make up her own mind. Her body...her thoughts...our direction.
    (Slapping the shit out of the religious right...one woman at a time!)
Condoms DO NOT safeguard against HPV.

I can see why you'd use it as a scare tactic, but it's obviously not true.

Some of you people scare me.

DIV

"My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer to embrace an early death." -Tupac Shakur


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/11/2006 2:14 pm:
They don't protect against the forms of HPV that protect against warts, this is true. But she used that as a scare tactic. They also don't protect against herpes. The femidom did, but try to find those in your local CVS or Eckard anymore. You have to mail order them special.

However, they do protect against the two strains that cause cancer, as that lives in the vagina and under the tip of the penis. There are now tests for HPV beyond looking for pre-cancerous and cancerous cells on a pap smear. There are over 150 forms of HPV out there, but only four are dangerous.

notfunnybaby 32M

6/13/2006 5:35 am

Would you like some sweeties little girl
Come a little closer
I'm gonna show you a brand new world tonight

I've got a palace full of fantasy
Ready made just for you and me
Once you're there I'm gonna take you for a ride

I got a one way ticket
To take you to the other side
I got a one way ticket so come on darling don't be shy

They call me Mr. Tinker Train
That's how I got to get my name
They call me Mr. Tinker Train
So come along and play my game
You'll never be the same

Close the curtains and turn out the light
Beneath my wing it's gonna be alright
A little secret just for you and me

I've got the kind of toys you've never seen
Manmade and a bit obscene
Little angel come and sit up on my knee

" Can you say Mr Tinker Train? Haw, Haw, Haw "!!!

No use crying 'cause you can't go back
Now you're here to stay
You can't run, you can't hide
You can't tell me what I feel inside


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/13/2006 11:55 am:
Yet another reason to hide your daughters. This guy. Isn't there a nice, soft padded room waiting for him somewhere and why isn't he in it?

MaggiesWishes 59F

6/13/2006 6:16 pm

Wait one moment.... I saw this one other place that I've been to, now I have to retrace my steps. That idiot( notfunnybaby ) is everywhere all the sudden! AND I just saw it today... backtracks!

oh dear me.


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/13/2006 11:14 pm:
Yep. They had deleted this latest handle from the system by the time I found the comment. The guy is a raving lunatic.

Shameless_Biotch 48F

6/14/2006 6:55 am

Thank you for your forthright, no-nonesense approach to this...
I was at the gyno yesterday, and asked about the vaccine, and they looked at me like I was some kind of prostitute, and one nurse actually said to me, "you are married, you don't need it, and your daughter is too young"(she's 14!!)...I guess she doesn't think her husband uses prostitutes or fucks behind her back, but I saw him at the bar the other night, looking quite cozy with a hotty blonde!!!I have always been open when it comes to my health, I never held back any of my sexual history, until now, when I felt I couldn't say, "I have multiple partners and may need an STD screen, just to be sure" like I always did at other Dr's offices...(they did test my urine for any active infections, though, and I have a clean bill of health)
...I soon understood just what kind of Dr's office I was in, because when I leaned back to be examined, there were posters with bible quotes on them for you to look at on the ceiling!!I was behind enemy lines, in a comprimising position, and didn't even realize it til too late!!I miss the sexual freedom in California (I'm in the god-forsaken, blue law HELL that is North Georgia) where I could, as a responsible human being, go to planned parenthood, get my condoms and Birth Control Pills, get my pap done and any STD checks that might be warrented, and get real information without such fucking ignorant comments!And at Planned Parenthood, when I went there, anyways, they didn't have religious guilt trip posters on the ceiling, but nice, secular things like dolphins swimming, beach and mountain scenes, mobiles!!!Thank The Powers That Be that we are moving back to good ol' freaky, open minded Cali next year!

Blog on!!
Your new cyber buddy,

Shameless


MissAnnThrope replies on 6/15/2006 2:23 am:
OK, that's really scary. I'm surprised your gyn will even prescribe the pill with that attitude.

The idea is to immunize girls BEFORE they become sexually active in any way, shape or form. I have a friend who spends Mondays counseling at the local HS. She says the number of girls who come in crying because they gave some idiot guy from the football team a blow job over the weekend and now he's not speaking to them are high. And it's every Monday morning these girls are in there. Just because they're not having vaginal sex, it doesn't mean they can't be exposed to these four flavors of HPV.

I find it scary that there are only four Planned Parenthood locations in Georgia. Here in liberal NJ, we have one in just about every county. There are at least two in my county. I prefer going there instead of to a GYN office. They're non-judgmental, they give you the facts, they give you the condoms, they tell you your options when you're like me and cannot take the pill thanks to family history and other factors and I don't have to worry about shaving my legs before I go. They also don't give you attitude when you scream during the pap test. They offer to get you a glass of water and make sure you're not about to pass out from the pain.

I would actually think about finding a new doctor if I went in and saw all the religious posters. It's doctors like that that keep sexually active women away from getting check ups. They don't want to be judged or branded as a slut by their doctors. It's easy to develop an aversion when you get an attitude when you go in.

If you enjoy driving, it might be worth your time to look into one of the Planned Parenthood centers in GA. If one is less than 200 miles away, that is. It might be a haul, but at least you don't have to worry about preconceived Christian notions and you can find out about Gardasil for your daughter, without being treated like a fallen woman.

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