Arrrrrrrrrrr....... Ye Scurvy Dogs!  

MissAnnThrope 56F
11679 posts
10/21/2005 3:15 pm

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Arrrrrrrrrrr....... Ye Scurvy Dogs!

I be hoistin ye Jolly Roger and sailing ye seas of ye olde Internet. I be lookin for songs that not be on CD and probably never will be.

In other words, file sharing. Which the RIAA considers piracy.

I still have a massively large vinyl collection in storage. In storage, along with my stereo. CDs are easy, the DVD player plays them. However, a good number of songs I've suddenly become sentimental for aren't on CD.

So, for the first time in about a year, I fired up a certain sharing program yesterday. I went looking for a few obscure things.

One of the songs I'm looking for is an old punk song from the late 70s called "Evacuate" by a band called Chelsea. I'm still trying to find that.

I learned a few things downloading yesterday:

The Chelsea Football Club has a scary number of songs available for download. Did they do an album or something?

People are rude and will just turn off their computers when you're in the middle of downloading something no one else has or is even remotely interested in.

Wow! I never knew that obscure band did that 60s pop song! There's a reason for that. It's because it's that 60s pop song sung by the original band, but someone got the bright idea to hide it from the RIAA by claiming it was a band only about 50 people in the country even care about.

People will hide songs that are popular now, under weird file names. Funny, I never knew 50 Cent was a member of The Diodes. Maybe because he wasn't! I don't even see how people looking for shit that will get you busted even know how to find the hidden stuff.

Nothing is more annoying than thinking a song isn't available on CD, only to think you're downloading it. Then when it's downloaded, you get a prompt to go to a website and buy it. In a form where if your computer crashes, you have to buy it all over again, as it's protected in MP3 format and you can't even burn it to disk when you need to reformat, or whatever.

People on dialup should only be allowed to download. They shouldn't share.

People on dialup should only allow one person to download one file at a time. Nothing is more frustrating than to be downloading from someone who is the only person to have something obscure and discover it's going to take 3 hours, as you can't get a speed off of them better than .25 kbps.

I have very odd musical tastes. Most of what I'm looking for has not been ripped from vinyl.

If someone who works for the RIAA is reading this, they're going to be screaming for my IP addy, as, even though I actually own everything I'm looking for on vinyl and I've gotten some really bad downloads, where the vinyl they ripped wasn't taken care of, it's still piracy. It is not akin to borrowing a friend's record and making a tape. (I really should use the downstairs' neighbor's unprotected connection, eh? But I won't. That would be wrong.)

One day, I have to get my stereo, records and ripping software, so people can get a rip of Human Sexual Responses, "Land Of The Glass Pinecones" that has been ripped from an LP that wasn't played with a worn stylus, destroying the record to the point where not even a collector would buy it.

Those were the revelations. Feel free to go on a rant about how I'm stealing money from artists by downloading things that are long out of print and wouldn't even sell 5000 CDs if even Rhino, or anyone else for that matter, decided to release them on CD.

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
10/21/2005 7:17 pm

If it aint on CD your chances of finding it are very slim on ANY PtoP server...If you want them on CD you're gonna have to transfer them yourself...which sucks doing it from vinyl...unless you have software to clear up the stratchs....Otherwise you will have to live with the poor quality...

Dont worry though they wont go after you unless you distribute it for profit...OR you are shareing ALOT of collection is pretty small compared to some..I only have barely 200 songs on my computer...I only DLed them because I like to mix and match stuff....BTW its pretty easy to get any Metallica song sigh I remember those days when they went after napster...Im a big Metallica fan though I understood what they where doing but alot of people didnt and hated Metallica for it. I just find it funny that after all the fighting they did its still easy as pie to get any of their songs. but their new ones from thier latest one wants them Metallica has gone down hill since the black album which is a shame but oh well....

As for "stealing" well it kinda is if you think about it...but comeon...those "artists" are rich enough anyways...Its not like it stops hardcore fans from buying their CDs...I have ALL of Metallicas CDs except the last one...I didnt like the last one...they have "gone soft"....and oh god that remindes me my sister's husband is a country fan and SAW James Hetfield singing country....COUNRTY!!!!of all the biggest sins in the world...that has to be want to talk about crimes....there's a bigger one

spinmedown 49M
3626 posts
10/22/2005 3:23 am

No argument from me.
I tried one of those file sharing sites about a month ago.
The songs I wanted to download were usually just listed with no source available. I always suspected that they only added things to their share list when people logged on and never removed them after they logged off. Trying to make their resources look bigger I guess, when only 1 in 30 songs was actually available. I agree about the dialup. It was all I could do to keep from punching my moniter when I finally did find a song and the download was .02kb per second. Why bother? A word of warning: after installing their software my system was loaded with spyware, and when I tried to delete their programs (and I was very careful about it) my system would no longer boot. I had to wipe out everything and do a complete reinstall. Took me two days to get the system back to where it should be, and I lost everything I did manage to download. Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'll never bother with them again. Feel free to rip and share all you like. You earn your keep just having to deal with the sharing site's problems.

Most people are other people... FUCKING CHARACTER LIMIT!!! ~Oscar Wilde

AltumHunksUnite 53M

10/22/2005 4:26 am

Even though I've downloaded lots of stuff myself, I can't deny that it is theft, and I try hard to heep that in mind that someone could be watching.

I share your frustration of the lack of availability of certain songs. However, I've had great luck with some of the pre-owned music stores in this area, as well as the popular online auction sites.

Let me drive. I like the view

CuteAZguy27 39M
1545 posts
10/22/2005 11:00 am

you quoted : If someone who works for the RIAA is reading this, they're going to be screaming for my IP ady

* I take a blindfold and run around to all the RIAA's in the country and blindfold them so the downloads can continue*


redmustang91 57M  
8599 posts
10/22/2005 2:26 pm

It is piracy but there are lots of music industry practices that also lack righteousness like reselling songs in new formats and not paying the original artists anything from that new cd release.

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
10/23/2005 9:48 am

nightstalker, even when they were going after Napster and every other washed-up trying to still sell records artist got on the bandwagon, you could still download lots of Metallica. The ones who screamed the loudest were the ones who have been doing crap for years. I'm amazed some of them even allow listen before you buy in record stores or on Amazon.

Now, I know a few of what I was looking for were either vinyl rips from albums that were treated very well, or, available on CD elsewhere in the world. Nothing you're going to find on the Amazon US site. Since records went out of fashion, try to find a store that sells imports for the snob appeal. Not to mention, as much as I wish I could, I just don't have the time, energy or patience to comb every store in Manhattan anymore. I don't mean places like Tower Records or Virgin Megastore either.

spinmedown, a lot of people will just cut you off, especially if they're downloading lots of stuff. You can watch their collection grow, as they refuse to share with anyone. I'm hoping those people are all on dialup. But it sucks when such a person is the only one to have something.

Cleavis, is it still theft if you already own it in another format? Such as vinyl? I know people who have it on vinyl, CD and then download so they can get the MP3 format, so they can listen on their laptops. What annoys me with things like 99c downloads is, what if your computer crashes in the middle of the download? What if it becomes corrupted on the way? You still pay and have to pay again to get a clean download. That to me is piracy. I don't think I'd care if the artists were getting the money, but they're not. Especially on the older stuff.

Thanks CuteAZ! And if they do see me, they're going to say, "Who are these people she's downloading? None of them are our artists. What do we do?"

redmustang, exactly! And what about dead artists who didn't leave any heirs? Or the ones who say they support file sharing?

The simple fact is, CDs have been pure profit for record companies. It costs them less to make CDs than it ever did to press vinyl. So, the companies have massive profits, sign crappy Top 40 artists to contracts they don't deserve (based on their lack of talent) and then bilk the smaller artists on the labels and the consumers, to pay for the massive contracts the bigger names get. There was a class action suit a few years ago, anyone who bought a CD during a certain time was allowed to file to try to get money back. I applied, but by the time the checks went out, I had moved and my forwarding was expired. *sigh*

nightstalker172 36M
1258 posts
10/24/2005 12:27 am

I dont know if you've seen the movie "Some kind of monster" its basically about Metallica...Well one of the main reasons Lars Ulrich went after Napster was because people where shareing songs that hadnt been released yet...they where basically hacked from their computer...But Lars said that if he'd known that Metallica would have gotten that kind of backlash from people who would have kept his mouth shut ....god that movie was so pathetic ...I almost wanted to cry when I saw it....but only because I was laughing so hard

MissAnnThrope 56F
11488 posts
10/28/2005 3:04 pm

Sassy, it might have been 50 Cent and Chelsea. I do know it was in the information when I scrolled over, some song I had never heard of did say it was one of his songs.

nightstalker, please. He would have loved the advance publicity had it not been for one thing... The concensus of Metallica fans was, the songs sucked. They did kind of ruin it for those bands and artists who love file sharing, as it gets them exposure. Most of those who came out against it were one hit wonders, or the washed up. I never liked The Grateful Dead, but I loved the fact they encouraged tape recorders at concerts and bootleg LPs that became collectors items. They didn't get a cent from any of that, but they had made their money already, so they really didn't care if someone else made a few bucks off of them.

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