PRO - Gay Marriage  

MBarrett1983 33M
63 posts
4/19/2005 1:42 am

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PRO - Gay Marriage


Now I'm pissed, everything went well today until I had to debate about that. My friend back at home is a devout Christian. Myself on the other hand... well we don't know.

She felt that Gay Marriage was wrong cause it goes against the bible and being gay was strictly out of rebellion against such.

I feel that EVERYONE should have a happy marriage, weather it be to man-female, man-man, or female-female. I feel they should all have that RIGHT. Who are they to say that they dont' deserve such for being who they are. They say it's in the name of God. Now if you're easily offended by religious stuff I advise you to stop and turn back. If God is as powerful as thier faith says, then why doesn't he change it? If he doesn't change it then who are they to say that's not God's will. Plus if God is all knowing he would have known this was coming and would have covered it better. The bible is fucked. I'm saying that flat out now. There are many different translations out there. Why would the path to God be so difficult? If he answers you and leads your path that would lead everyone to the SAME fucking path. But no, there are different paths to different translations. And the reason we have so MANY is b/c the word got lost over the years. So who's to say that they didn't ammend it out? I am not gay personally, my job and my upbringing says it's not right. But fuck that. I am in no position to tell them what they're doing is not right. THEY don't need ppl to tell them it's wrong cause it's not. If I have the right to choose my own fucking faith, why can't they choose their spouse? And if you're anti-gay marriage I'll tell you your answer right now, "The bible says it's wrong". You take a good idea and turn it into a faith. Take it for the context, treat everyone equal. If a murder deserves an equal and fair trial then why can't the gay community get equal marriage. What they do is FAR less severe. If you want to debate on this my AIM is Barrett1983. I'm more then game to debate about this. But my standings are firm on this topic. I just think it's bullshit how you wish the world happiness but you refuse to grant the Gay community such. HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SAY THAT??? "I wish the world happiness, but not you" Then you don't wish the world happiness. AND THEN!!! AND THEN YOU HOLD THESE FUCKING SIGNS THAT SAY "A Happy marriage is a blah blah anti-gay marriage" WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO SAY THAT SHIT???? WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? Who are you to say that they won't have a happy marriage? For all you know they're having the happiest fucking marriage EVER. Obviously you aren't if you're on this site and married looking for a discret relationship, YOU FUCK. FUCK YOU! God damn assholes I say. FUCK YOU!

Ok, I am pissed. This is a RARE occasion, but I am a strong pro-gay marriage.

EvilMuppet69 37M
89 posts
4/19/2005 2:54 am

Yeah, its a bit irritating that religious types think they should push their beliefs on everyone else. I think Athiests should start going door-to-door saying "Have you considered there isn't a god?".

Gay Marriage should be allowed, but more than that, people should apologise to them for the discrimination. I'm not gay, but I feel very strongly about the oppression of personal freedoms.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/19/2005 2:56 am

religion is the wrong reason, but marriage is alot more than just a couple getting together, it is something a gay union cannot be, nothing wrong with them making a commitment to each other and living as a couple, but marriage isn't something that should apply.

the institution of marriage has been so perverted in today's society it isn't funny anyway I don't know why they would want it, particularly since majority of Gay relationships don't last longer than 10 years.....

today it is getting to the point that marriage is just paperwork and tax deductions, let them have gay unions, but society needs to start preserving what is left of marriage, and start mending some of the damage it has done.

this fact is made even clearer by the fact that in your discussion neither your friend or yourself recognised exactly what 'marriage' is, and what it does for our society.....which is alot but I wont go into that here, the youth of today in order to make appropriate life choices need that understanding or it will be further eroded....and the breakdown of marriage actually has a very real and very damaging impact on our society.

WyvernRose


cillycece 38F
19 posts
4/19/2005 5:25 am

You hear all this shit on the news about how he father or mother of a child does not think that the other parent who is gay should not beable to raise the child because they are in a gay relationship. I think that is one fucked up thing. I have a gay Aunt and Uncle and I believe or should I say I know that they would make great parents with their partners. I support everything you are saying MBarrett! Couples that are straight or couples that are gay never know what can happen in a relationship.. . .. It can go wrong or it can be the best thing in the world and if they are happy so fucking be it let them get married and live their own life. Every time I see a damn bumper sticker that has this anti-gay marriage shit I just want to get out of my car and take it off of their car and say they do not have the fucking right to say anything and then ask them if they are married and if it is working out well for them.

This is a subject that I hate to see brought up cause it just pisses me off so bad.

Talk to you all later........


RecordMusic 40M

4/19/2005 5:44 am

Hmmm, apparently here in the UK, over 50% of marriages now end in divorce, so yes the sanctity of marriage no longer appears to be what it used to be. Most people's grandparents seem to have been married forever.

However, in saying that, times have changed, although certain people seem to be against the idea of moving with them.

There are a lot of predominantly Christian (or indeed religious) campaigners that seem against the idea of Gays having rights of any kind. Generally, this appears to be based upon the Bible. Now, let us consider what the Bible is:

In my (most likely wrong) opinion, it is a religious text that was supposedly written some 2000 years ago. Who it was written by, I don't know, but I suspect that the actual author(s) were actually a bunch of people high up in various religious factions that decided they needed a document to control the masses (which is what religion is about, after all, control of the masses).

However, if you consider how much humans have changed in the last 2000 years, aren't the teachings of the Bible going to be a little outdated by now..? The Bible deals with the way things were back in the year 0, dot, nada, nothing... How can you possibly say that things that were relevant now are still relevant? Heck, a few millenia ago, we used to wander around with spears and hunt all day. Now we just go to the supermarket and that's all taken care of. Thousands of years ago, the concept of being Gay (or bisexual, whatever, I use the term 'gay' to mean anything apart from straight, in the interests of brevity) probably didn't even exist. But guess what, times have changed and humans adapt. Hundreds of years ago the concept of being Gay did exist but it was the sort of thing that would get you executed, burned at the stake, accused of witchcraft and dark magic of the highest order.

Nowadays, being Gay is much more commonplace. But guess what? There are those of us that are still trying to apply rules set out 2000 years ago to people living in the present? People who go on about Gay people not being allowed the same rights as other human beings should be shot. Gays are human beings, and I think the teachings of the Bible should be made availabe to ALL human beings. The Bible is supposed to be a book for all people (if I understand it correctly, which I probably don't) but there are still those of us who seek to out people they don't like.

In summary, of course Gay people should have the right to marry. They should have EXACTLY the same rights as everyone else. They are human, Christians and other religious groups are all human, and their religious texts are guides for human beings. How can the teachings and readings of 2000 years ago possibly govern us today?? Religious communities need to get with the times.

As for marriage not being what it used to be, well, that is due to the changing nature of humans as well. Our grandparents when they married really meant all the 'sickness and health' stuff. They were taught that you stick by your partner through thick and thin, you marry for life, faithful to each other etc. These days, we're too impatient. If something isn't working, we're out of there. We want the quick fix to every problem. But, we're only like that because we're told to be. If we don't like something, we complain, we do something about it. We don't keep quiet like they used to, we don't suffer in silence anymore. Perhaps this is a good thing, perhaps it is a bad thing. The upshot of it is, however, is that if you don't meet someone with whom you are 100% compatible, over a very long period of time, you are probably going to get divorced, and 'mistreat' the paradigm of marriage. Hmmmm, it's only what we've been told to do, right..? Once again, marriage is something that was invented centuries ago, so perhaps the concept of marriage is no longer relevant to the way we live our lives today...

End of Rant.

RM xx


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/19/2005 7:15 am

actually RM the bible was written by the disciples Moses and Jewish record keepers, along with a few others, it is a record of their history and a compilation of letters written by the disciples, you have never read it have you?

the consequence of the breakdown of marriage, is increase in violent crime rates drug dependency teen pregnancy, illiteracy, welfare dependance and suicide.....

so why should we change with the times when the times are getting worse not better for the changes? I am all for tolerance not a problem, but marriage if you understood what it actually was, actually does alot more for our society than upholding what grandma and grandps think we should do nor is it a tool to keep people under thumb.

do you have a valid arguement RecordMusic?

or are you as you state just spouting what you have been taught by these changes in society?

WyvernRose


MBarrett1983 33M

4/20/2005 3:52 am

But marriage breakdown is not a problem for the gay community yet, just the straight one. Since it's not legal for gay marriage yet. So why say all that when it's not their problem? These consequences are the ones being caused by striaght marriage divorces.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/20/2005 5:04 am

First of all, I must say...M...you are a hottie...and I just love hearing you say fuck fuck and fuck again! And thank GOD you aren't gay. I love gay men, but I can't LOVE gay men, ya get me?

Second of all, gay marriages...whats the big fucking deal? LOVE is LOVE is LOVE is LOVE...and since OVER half of marriages end in divorce, and HETEROSEXUALS have FUCKED up the sanctity of "marriage"...why not let the gays have a go at it? They can't mess it up any more than we have! And how many hetero-couples molest or abuse their kids and their step-kids? Hmmm....just a thought!

ALSO mus say....wyvern-----if God loved you, he would have given you better breasts.


cillycece 38F
19 posts
4/20/2005 5:15 am

You are right about that MBarrett....How can marriage be a problem for the ones that are in love with the same sex if it is not legal.?
I just want to add one more thing to my previous comment......If I was to give a child up for adoption I would love to choose the family...so be it if they are gay or straight as long as I know that they are going to love and support the child the way they should....I just think it is sad to see a marriage end in divorce and there are kids involved and it turns out the husband/wife has a new partner that is involved in the same sex and cannot get custody of the kids for the fact they are gay.....everyone should have the same rights as long as they are great parents.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/20/2005 5:21 am

I just love that this chic with droopy tits is blathering on and on about preserving the sanctity of marriage and preaching about scripture. Does anyone else appreciate the irony? Hmmm?

Did she really just rant about the "perversion of today's society?" I missed it, I was too busy staring in abject horror at her 58 year old tatas.

I would like to finish one of her open-ended statements as follows:

"the consequence of the breakdown of marriage, is increase in violent crime rates drug dependency teen pregnancy, illiteracy, welfare dependance and suicide..... " and 58 year old women exposing their saggy milk-bags on young hottie-men's blogs.

She talks about "upholing what granma and gramps think". Biatch, who you trying to kid? Your grands are long in the grave. But I do wish SOMETHING was upholding your mamaries!

And despite her reluctance to change with the times....society...similarly to her bossom...HAS changed over time. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/20/2005 11:00 pm

These problems are actually the effect on youth of family breakdown brought about by the breakdown in the understanding of marriage, which was created through the creation of no fault divorce, further diluting what marriage is, or the meaning and purpose of marriage wont fix that problem Mbarrett, it isn't marriage which is the problem but what it has become,
like I said I have no problem with Gay Unions, provided what was "marriage" is preserved, it isn't even the name but what it is, the preservation of the optimal environment for raising children and people having the understanding of what goes into that environment which many actually don't, I am not saying Gay couples shouldn't have children, the reality is children need active parents of both gender (this has actually been shown through research) and can even been acheived in families with Gay parents provided they are aware of it and what makes it important, this isn't always present today, and this is what the problem is..... in essence, and its been caused by the breakdown in the concept of "marriage"

Oh and Gorrilla Tits, if god loved you he would have given you better eyesight and at least a minimal level of comprehension skills.

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/20/2005 11:04 pm

cilly gay parents don't lose custody of their children because they are gay, I have been studying the courts for years, no court can, one parent shouldn't have custody of the children just because the couple have seperated, children were born with 2 parents, children need 2 parents, pure and simple divorce shouldn't change that, and it is the presumption of sole custody which does the greatest damage in our society.....

WyvernRose


cillycece 38F
19 posts
4/21/2005 7:51 am

wyvernrose.....I have seen on television that if a marriage has split and they are fighting for custody of their children that if the ex husbabd or wife are gay it is harder for them to get the children for the simple fact that they are gay and the other parent does not want them to be around the "gay life". And they win this. Just recently I watched how this man had to move his partner out of his house so that he can be with his child. The mother did not like the fact that he was gay and fought it in court that he is not to have his partner living with him when he has the child. I just think that is bullshit. My children are around my gay aunt and uncle all the time with their partners and they also stay over at their house. It is 2005 and no matter what they are going to see it on the television (Mtv-Real World) my oldest daughter watches it with me on the weekends she is 7 years old. There is no way of stoping it (children seeing it) All I was saying is that there is a problem for gay couples to get by adopting or custody of children and I think it is bullshit.... .. Just like I think that if gays cannot get married that is also bullshit.....as long as you are happy and in love and treated with the respect that is needed everyone deserves the same no matter if you are gay or straight.
I have the same respect for everyone who fucking cares about their color, sex, or who the fuck they are fucking or inlove with and that is what I teach my children.. .. .treat people with respect and they will treat you with respect back.

Talk to you all later. . . . .


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/21/2005 7:10 pm

Cilly the System actually works that the default is that the children stay with the mother, a lesbian mother has no problem keeping the children whatsoever, unless of course abuse or drug use can be proven, a gay father well all the mother has to do is label him a paedophile and he will never see his kids again,

but all Fathers irrespective of sexuality have a very hard time being able to see their kids at all because mother's get more money the less the fathers see the kids,

Family law is currently an issue of gender for biological parents, there are complications with adoptions but that is because many countries are coping with the problem of how can children have more than 2 parents, and if they allow adoption by same sex partners what level of interaction will constitute a substantial relationship with a child to enable adoption? this is the problem with such an open ended definition of parent, it isn't in allowing gays and lesbian's adopt children but how to write the laws and change the laws in such a manner that it isn't too open ended, if they were to do it, a child spending substantially more time with a child care worker, then that child care worker could even be considered a significant part of the child's life move for adoption and apply for visitation and even childsupport, then you also have the problem that when Gay and lesbian couples split, do the adopted parents then pay CS, currently yes they do, but only if they have adopted the child, if not then it is the 'donor' who the government by default foots with the bill, or if it was truely anonymous it increases welfare payments, Cilly it isn't as easily a problem solved as you may think......

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/21/2005 7:15 pm

cilly the problems you raise are created by the function of the human body and legal presumptions that have been in place due to such since the advent of feminism, that is the presumption of primary carer... and the assumption that the primary carer is the mother,

it is alot more involved that the telly has told you...

WyvernRose


cillycece 38F
19 posts
4/22/2005 5:28 am

wyvernrose... .. I never said that this is a problem that is easy to solve....All I am doing is stating a problem that we have in this world....I am just saying what I have seen on the television and that is really how it is in this world. "Gays" do not have the same rights as "Straight"!!!!

When people go through divorce "Straight couples" it is harder for the female to get everything---as of full custody of children--childsupport and etc......I have seen my mother go through her divorce with my father and this was about 18 years ago and reading her divorce papers recently she recieved everything that she wanted.....going through my divorce my ex-husband is intitled to joint custody and not to pay as much childsupport to me since he has our child 1/2 of the time.....In this day and age fathers have the title to get what they want as long as they are good parents. I see it more and more every day fathers getting their children.

So do not tell me anything that you think that I do not know.....

I am just saying what I see in this world and that is not everyone getting treated equal......Gay or Straight.....Black or white....etc....

I am all for GAY MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!!!


MBarrett1983 33M

4/23/2005 3:23 am

rock on Cilly, That's the way the world needs to turn. Everyone getting treated equal and that's why I started this blog. I was tired of seeing others asking for the Gay community to not recieve that. I think everyone is entitled to the same, despite race, gender or sexual prefrence.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/23/2005 9:46 am

Wyvern---Atleast God gave me an open heart and mind. And I make use of them. I'm not a walking, talking practice in hypocrisy. And I don't base my beliefs in a 1000's of years old FICTIONAL document, most likely the result of a bad peyote trip. Has God ever PERSONALLY come down from the heavens to tell you that homosexual marriage is WRONG? Just curious.

AND---might I mention, that having worked in residential care with SED kids (the products of drug-ridden, abusive foster homes) that these kids that AREN'T being allowed to be adopted into loving STABLE same-sex partner homes...are being by "straight" foster fathers, sold for sex by herione-addicted foster mothers, joining gangs to have a "family"...the list goes on.

Two loving parents, no matter their age, race, religion, or sexual orientation are BY FAR more condusive to a healthy home environment than NO parents, or abusive step-parents (not that all are, but check the statistics!).

So, I guess because divorce causes trauma to a child, and its too "complicated" to figure out child support and if either parent spends enough time with their child...we should just take away every divorced couple's child too. I mean, since they can't provide a household with a mother and father figure. Or maybe we should just require them to remarry the first man or woman who comes along, so the child can have enough time with each gender and learn how ugly and horrifying people can be. Or make the parents stay together, unhappily so the child can have a mother and a father figure 24/7 who fight and make eachother miserable. Maybe we could start a mommy and daddy rental service, where adults of each sex can be hired to come and spend time with your children if you are divorced. THIS IS RIDICULOUS! There are children whose fathers abandon them...and they are raised by their mothers or grandmothers...and they turn out FINE coming from a single-gender home. Multiply that love by two, and imagine how lucky that child would be.

The definition of a parent, biological or otherwise, is simple. It's someone who provides the necessities of life to a child. That means they provide a home, food, clothing, hygeine, direction, supervision, love, compassion, and care to the child. I don't care if it were 4 transvestite opera singers raising a child---if they can provide the above with a reasonable level of stability, BLESS THEIR HEARTS for accepting an unloved and forgotten child into their home.

AND a marriage is just a commitment before God and witnesses that you will love, honor, cherish, and forsaking all others be faithful to your partner, through thick and thin, for richer for poorer...blah blah...until death do you part. There is no gender involved. Gay people are just as capable of loving and monogamous relationships as straight people are. Maybe even more so, because they have to go through so much more adversity and put so much more effort into the relationship to amke it work, because of small-minded people like Wyvern.

Wyvern stated that most homosexual relationships don't last 10 years. How many heterosexual relationships do? How many people have each of us been involved with before we found Mr. or Mrs. Right? What's your success ratio? 5% if you are lucky? I've been in several heterosexual relationships...deep, committed relationships, even a marriage. And none of them lasted even five years, let alone ten.

Hetero people have made marriage a joke. I married my husband ready and willing to work through any problems that we could come across. But it takes two fully committed people to make a marriage work. If their love is that committed, and that enduring, then I don't care who is licking or sticking what. More power to them! God bless them!

That said....Barrett---when are you coming by for a lickin', stickin' session? *evil grin*


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/23/2005 10:01 am

Wyver----AND since you want to cite "research" that shows that children need male and female parent figures, post a link to ONE creditable journal article that draws that conclusion. I bet I can match you research for research with APA journal articles showing that children are more successful in life if they grow up with 2 loving parents, regardless of their gender.

Do you think that by denying gay's the right to get married, you wills omehow make them straight? NO. They will STILL be gay and STILL live and love together, regardless of the legalities of their union. Therefore, they are having the SAME impact on society, regardless whether they have a piece of paper legally making them man and wife. They still vote, still have children (yup, it happens! It's not too hard to go to a bar and pick yourself a "sperm donor"!, still create a household together. You will NOT change this by denying them marriage. All you are doing is denying them the legal right to have a piece of paper stating they are married. You are also denying them their right as an American Citizen to pursue their happiness. You are also denying them the right to make life-decisions for their partners, get tax breaks as a married couple, or conduct their daily bussiness as a family unit.

Domestic violence is LESS prevalent in homosexual relationships than it is in heterosexual relationships. Just a tidbit.

By Wyverns way of thinking...any family that isn't "perfect" shouldn't be allowed to raise children. Divorcees, no children for you. No college degree? Sorry. No babies. Low IQ? Too bad, you cannot procreate.

Until you can stop crack adicts from poisoning their children in-vetro...or alcoholics from birthing babies with swiss-cheese brains (I have had to work with these kids!)I wouldn't worry too much about whether little Jonny has a mom and dad, 2 moms, 2 dads, or a pack of gorillas to raise him. How about we make sure he is born whole first, hmmm? Because heterosexual people suck too.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:06 pm

"post a link to ONE creditable journal article that draws that conclusion." well I would if AdultFriendFinder permitted links on Blogs to sites outside AdultFriendFinder however they do not.

"And I don't base my beliefs in a 1000's of years old FICTIONAL document"

Gorilla tits you have just displayed conclusively that you have no comprehension of what I have said, and it is doubtful you did little more than skim the comment.

Thanks for the nonsense rant

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:07 pm

Cilly you watch too much telly, don't believe everything it tells you the frequency of mothers having sole residency has nothing to do with sexuality.

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:17 pm

Oh and Gorilla Tits, Domestic Violence is as frequent in homosexual households and Heterosexual households, there is a report "credible" stating that often reports by women of DV against women are refused or laughed at in exactly the same manner as men are laughed at and reports refused to be taken from men of domestic violence perpetrated by women, resulting in these crimes being underreported truth is women regardless of sexuality are as violent as men! these are not gender issues but stigma's and fallacies have made them such within the justice and family law systems, I am all for equality dear, provided it is actually equallity, next time don't try to BS me.

even you work so hard to perpetuate these myths and perpetuate bias, because you don't bother looking closer......

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:27 pm

Sorry Cilly got lost on which comment of your's was the latest will copy it here so I can keep track
"wyvernrose... .. I never said that this is a problem that is easy to solve....All I am doing is stating a problem that we have in this world....I am just saying what I have seen on the television and that is really how it is in this world. "Gays" do not have the same rights as "Straight"!!!!

When people go through divorce "Straight couples" it is harder for the female to get everything---as of full custody of children--childsupport and etc......I have seen my mother go through her divorce with my father and this was about 18 years ago and reading her divorce papers recently she recieved everything that she wanted.....going through my divorce my ex-husband is intitled to joint custody and not to pay as much childsupport to me since he has our child 1/2 of the time.....In this day and age fathers have the title to get what they want as long as they are good parents. I see it more and more every day fathers getting their children.

So do not tell me anything that you think that I do not know.....

I am just saying what I see in this world and that is not everyone getting treated equal......Gay or Straight.....Black or white....etc....

I am all for GAY MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!!! "

Ever wondered by a women wether a good parent or not still gets sole residency, you don't know how difficult it is today for a father to gain residency from an abusive mother no matter her gender, and believe me I know some lesbians who are abusing their kids...

that isn't an issue of sexuality that is an issue of gender...

have you ever tried to deny him his visitation now that it is no longer in the courts? They cannot enforce visitation on a woman, not effectively for one and only reason, they believe punishing the custodial mother in any way will impact the children, and so you cilly can pretty much do what you want and wont be punished for it, which means he only actually has shared care because you let him. your a good mum

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:29 pm

"Ever wondered by a women wether a good parent or not still gets sole residency, you don't know how difficult it is today for a father to gain residency from an abusive mother no matter her gender, and believe me I know some lesbians who are abusing their kids..."
sorry cilly that was supposed to have said "Sexuality"

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:35 pm

Oh and gorrila tits you have your stats confused, it is second marriages that don't last even 5 years in the majority.....

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/23/2005 10:39 pm

oh and Gorilla tits your "relationships" im not surprised a relationship with a harpy doesn't last....omg who would want that for any longer than 12 months......some guys out there may be stupid but I doubt they would willingly have hell for life....

your buttons are fun to push if you were just ignorant I wouldn't bother but the willfully stupid are another matter

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 12:39 am

I am a donkey show in a sand storm. I believe that Tuna Helper is the tastiest dish ever invented. I do not live in a trailer. I have all of my teeth. I am naive, goofy, too trusting, and too outspoken. I am also dedicated, loyal, and hard working. I love to cook--chicken pot pie, cabbage, gnocci...mmmmmm---I love to dance, sing at the top of my lungs, and harass the staff at Denny's at 3 in the morning. I read voraciously, write maliciously, and sleep obsessively. I believe in miracles, have even witnessed a few myself. I think my dogs are better company than most people. They have better hygiene too. I smoke. Dont lecture me about it. I already have one mother. And she smokes. I love old musicals ie. Oklahoma, The Sound of Music, South Pacific. I love grainy old Bob Hope movies. I used to be an acrobat, and I have trophies and medals to prove it. And if you are stopping by Starbucks, can I get a venti white mocha with 3 extra espresso shots? Thank you...
Seriously, you aren't reading this anyhow. Quit spanking to my pics. I said QUIT IT. Heres a tissue.

Ideal Person:
I don't wanna fuck, baby. Lets go get coffee at Dennys. All applicants must be under 38, officially out of mommy and daddys house, mobile, have all (or NEARLY all) of their teeth and hair (or jesus, really, shave that egg bald...the comb over isnt slick). An education is a big bonus, but then again so is a hot tub...I dont do married guys, I dont do couples. If you already have someone, dont look at me. I am a one man or woman kind of girl. Addendum: Jealousy is not becoming. Nor is it productive. So why don't you quit wasting your time being jealouse of me and do something to make yourself feel good...like taking a nice, long, relaxing bath...with a toaster.

the above is care of Gorilla tits Profile

ROFLMAO oh baby I ain't jeolous I am ROFLMAO, I could never be jeolous of that figure or that sheer level of intolerance, and yet you stand here preaching tolerance ROFLMAO, OMG PMSL baby grow up get some maturity and for christ sake join a gym, star bucks and dennies can live without you girl, ROFLMFAO, I didn't even come close to having a figure like yours until well after having our 3rd child and being put on medication ROFLMAO, and baby I am the same age as you ROFLMAO you haven't even had kids and you don't have the guts to show your tata's~!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 1:05 am

OMFG Gorilla Tits you have even gone and split the seem in the back of that lace G ROFLMFAO....that is really sad we need to set up a fund for you to buy some clothes that fit I think rather than continue to have you run around in rag's

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/24/2005 9:17 am

*laughing* Wyvern---too bad you couldn't debate any relevant points that I brought up. Instead you had to stoop to simply attempting to insult me. WOW, it must be GREAT to be an expert on EVERYTHING! How does that feel? Is that like, a superpower that God gave you?

AND---you are incorrect. I know, this must amaze you...but it's true. I work for a battered women's center...and maintain contact with DV support groups, including the GLDV groups...and have accurate information, as well as first hand experience counseling victims of bother hetero and homosexual DV relationships. Check YOUR stats.

My entire job is dispelling the myths about domestic violence and sexual assault. So I am happy to fix your ignorance. I'll be sure to send you my bill.

A Harpy? Hmmm, call me fat or say my mother wears combat boots next. Too bad your verbal skills aren't as mature as your chest obviously is.

And, honestly Wyvern, I doubt ANYONE did more than skim your postings as you are obviously the type that thinks they know everything about everything, but in reality knows nothing except for your own conceit.

The downfall of society is NOT due to homosexuality. I hate to break it to you. Take some responsibility yourself, and on behalf of your heterosexual counterparts. They are the ones who destroyed the so-called sanctity of marriage that you believe has lead us all down this sinful path.

Barrett...has it been hell baby? *grin* I'm sowwee!


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/24/2005 9:27 am

Oops----I made my previous posting w/o reading the second page. You already DID call me fat! Good job. Next, maybe a joke about my mom? Hmmmm?

And here you are preaching the bible, yet ridiculing me for not exposing my breasts to the whole world? It's not that I don't have the guts to show my breasts, it's the simple fact that I DO have a little class. Something you obviously are lacking.

I'm not the slut bag who already popped out 3 kids by 26. How much welfare IS that per month? Just curious.

And WHAT level of intolerance? Because I won't AdultFriendFinder married men??? Yeah, that's me, I'm SO outrageously prejudiced. How dare I have some standards? I should just open my loose hole to any Tom DICK or Harry who comes along ...like you ...You have taught me so MUCH Wyvern! Thanks! Maybe in a few years, I can birth 3 illegitimate children by three different men! WOOHOO! Then will I be cool, Wyvern? Please say yes, because you opinion means SOOO much to me !!!

Medication? Maybe they should consider upping your dosage. Have you tried Abilify? I heard it's the new wonder drug for people like you.

And no, I haven't yet split the seams of those lace panties...but Barrett can do it for me. Barrett---How ARE the tits, really.

I think I'll go take a little peek at Wyverns profile, if I can prop my eye lids open long enough. It should be quite illuminating!

Let me just reiterate something from my profile...Wyvern, maybe you missed it the first time.

Addendum: Jealousy is not becoming. Nor is it productive. So why don't you quit wasting your time being jealouse of me and do something to make yourself feel good...like taking a nice, long, relaxing bath...with a toaster.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/24/2005 9:34 am

WYVERNS PROFILE!

We are a loving couple in an open marriage but really enjoy playing with other couples. I have been told I'm a real screamer when touched the right way and hubby loves giving oral, he enjoys making me (and others) wiggle under his tongue. Hubby is most definately straight, I am the one with other interests, we both have occasion to play on our own, although usually only do so one on one or when pursuing particular experiences, can you satisfy my desires?
Ideal Person:
looking for other couples or women who like a good laugh and realy good fun that we can all enjoy.

Discretion and patience is 100% necessary.

Oh a note for any Straight or Bi ladies out there needing to be appreciated, I do loan Boney (hubby) out on occasion, he is under the strictest orders to be on his best behaviour and treat ladies as Princesses! If he does not fullfill this requirement, simply let me know! and I shall Punish him to the full extent of my abilities! and believe me being his wife the ability to punish is EXTENSIVE!

Ok, now THIS I find funny. This is the bible thumper? THIS IS THE WOMAN WHO WAS BITCHING ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS POTENTIALLY DAMAGING THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Uhm, hello dummy! You are BISEXUAL YOURSELF...and you and your husband CHEAT on eachother (I know, that's not PC, but it's the truth!) violating God's laws and BREAKING YOUR MARRIAGE VOWS to God and eachother.

If THAT isnt desecrating the holy marriage vows, what in the HELL is?

Shit, atleast in MY relationships, I can satisfy my man on my own. I don't have to bring in other trashy broads to do the job for me.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 10:47 pm

as stated already Gorilla tits at no stage have you paid attention to what I have said

1. at no stage have I preached from the bible, I actually stated that biblical reason's are not sufficient to refuse gay marriage

2. that explains why you don't believe the true situation of domestic violence, the propaganda you have been repeatedly spewing is that promoted to retain funding for women's shelters which is the whole reason domestic violence perpetrated by women will never and can never be acknowledged by your Ilk,

3. for your information I get alot more than my husband does, Its only to get him out of the house and so as he doesn't get Jeolous of the ease with which I can pick up. I don't need help "satisfying" him.

4. all of my children have the same father, and were born in wedlock, they are also still being raised in the same household with both their biological parents.

5. your lying about the panties,

6. the medication is for the treatment of asthma,

7. if you had class, you wouldn't be the harpy that you are, and you could sustain a lasting relationship,

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 10:52 pm

Oh and I don't receive government benefits, we support our own children thankyou, I am not a bludger like you and your friends.

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 10:54 pm

Oh gorilla tits My husband and I NEVER vowed to only sleep with each other, we don't "cheat" on each other, we both keep each other fully informed of our activities, have veto power over anything that happens.

if we lied, deceived or kept secrets from each other then you might be justified in calling us cheaters, but unlike you we don't....

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/24/2005 11:01 pm

read back dear at no time did I blame homosexuality for the breakdown of society, I actually blame feminism, yeah those same ones you work for!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/25/2005 7:29 am

read my blog Gorrila tits everything your like don't want published is there, you only convince people by not providing ALL the evidence, you only show statistics on how often women are victims of domestic violence, do you actually know how many men are victims? no because feminists don't ask because they don't want to know,

for your information the ONLY situations where child abuse is lowest/non existent, are situations of shared parenting, and this is for only 1 reason, it is too easily discovered in the early stages.......by OTHER than the perpetrator!

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 9:14 am

Ah, go beat a woman. Maybe it will make your bitter ass feel better.

I see the women come in with staples in their heads from their BF's and GF's. I don't need you to tell me what's going on.

I wouldn't read your blog if the government paid me to do so.

Well, Im glad to hear you aren't on government aid. That frees up more of MY tax dollars to pay for the STD clinic you and your husband SHOULD be visiting.

AND----if you satisfied him, he wouldn't AdultFriendFinder other women, and if he had a DICK and knew how to use it....either

A. He would AdultFriendFinder you good enough you wouldn't have to hoe yourself aroudn on AdultFriendFinder (Damn, I bet you mom, and your kids, are proud!)

or

B. He'd shove it in your mouth and shut you the hell up before you FURTHER made a fool of yourself, and of him by talking shit about what you don't know or understand.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 9:15 am

Ah, go beat a woman. Maybe it will make your bitter ass feel better.

I see the women come in with staples in their heads from their BF's and GF's. I don't need you to tell me what's going on.

I wouldn't read your blog if the government paid me to do so.

Well, Im glad to hear you aren't on government aid. That frees up more of MY tax dollars to pay for the STD clinic you and your husband SHOULD be visiting.

AND----if you satisfied him, he wouldn't AdultFriendFinder other women, and if he had a DICK and knew how to use it....either

A. He would AdultFriendFinder you good enough you wouldn't have to hoe yourself aroudn on AdultFriendFinder (Damn, I bet you mom, and your kids, are proud!)

or

B. He'd shove it in your mouth and shut you the hell up before you FURTHER made a fool of yourself, and of him by talking shit about what you don't know or understand.

AND yes, I do know exactly how many men are victims, as my FEMINAZI organization provides them with counseling, motel vouchers, food, clothing, etc. YES we help MEN too.

But, we don't generally help mental health patience, so you are out of luck.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 12:25 pm

Massachusetts court rules ban on gay marriage unconstitutional
(CNN) -- The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court has cleared the way for lesbian and gay couples in the state to marry, ruling Tuesday that government attorneys "failed to identify any constitutionally adequate reason" to deny them the right.

Hmmm...I guess the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court just isn't as smart as Wyvern.<---sarcasm


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 12:31 pm

“Would any heterosexual in America believe he had a right to pursue happiness if he could not marry the person he loved? What would be more objectionable to most people – to be denied a vote in the next presidential election or to no longer have legal custody over their child or legal attachment to their wife or husband? Not a close call.” This being said, can we deny that the right to marriage - to whomever one might choose - is constitutionally guaranteed?
Keeping gay marriage illegal also violates the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. According to the American Civil Liberties Union in 1996, (3) “The law [against same-sex marriage] discriminates on the basis of sex because it makes one's ability to marry depend on one's gender.”

According to Bureau of Census statistics, twenty-five percent of children today are born out-of-wedlock to single women, mostly young, minority, and impoverished; half of all marriages end in divorce; and married couples with children now make up only twenty-six percent of United States households. It is unrealistic to pretend that children can only be successfully reared in an idealized concept of family, the product of nostalgia for a time long past."

Sorry for the long postings, just trying to educate Wyvern. So she CAN know everything about everything, as she seems to believe she already does.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 12:47 pm

Judge cites Ohio gay marriage ban in disallowing unmarried people from filing domestic violence charges

Oh, no! Wyvern...wrong again?

Is God speaking to you too softly?


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 12:56 pm

(Columbus, Ohio) Ohio's constitutional amendment which bars same-sex marriage is being used to prevent a lesbian mom from seeing her eight-year old son.

The argument is the centerpiece of a legal dispute between the boy's birth mother and her former partner.

In addition to banning same-sex marriage the amendment, known as Issue 1, says the state "and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage."

Wyvern's quote: 4/21/2005 7:10 pm a lesbian mother has no problem keeping the children whatsoever, unless of course abuse or drug use can be proven,

I guess she doesn't knwo the power of her own prejudice.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 12:56 pm

(Columbus, Ohio) Ohio's constitutional amendment which bars same-sex marriage is being used to prevent a lesbian mom from seeing her eight-year old son.

The argument is the centerpiece of a legal dispute between the boy's birth mother and her former partner.

In addition to banning same-sex marriage the amendment, known as Issue 1, says the state "and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage."

Wyvern's quote: 4/21/2005 7:10 pm a lesbian mother has no problem keeping the children whatsoever, unless of course abuse or drug use can be proven,

I guess she doesn't know the power of her own prejudice.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/25/2005 1:05 pm

Well I just posted information about 50+ studies showing that children raised by gays/lesbians differ in NO significant way from those raised by heterosexuals, other than that they are LESS violent and LESS prone to psychological problems.

But apparently the blog decided to delete it.

Wyvern----he beats you doesn't he? And your children? C'mon ...you can talk to me hun. That's why you are against feminism, which CONTRARY to the earlier statement you made showing your ignorance, does NOT mean that women automatically get custody of their children, it means that women have EQUAL rights to men. So, come on. Don't be afraid anymore. I won't hit you. Today could be the day that the nightmare ends and your new life of healing begins. I can give you some referrals...


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/25/2005 3:38 pm

In addition to banning same-sex marriage the amendment, known as Issue 1, says the state "and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage."

Which was the whole issue of the case mentioned Gorilla tits have you read the case? the mother might have persued it because she had been 'converted' but she won because the other person wasn't actually a parent of the child!

God damned do you really think a child should have every tom, dick and harry who dates its mother as a fully fledged "parent" with all the rights and responsibilities that goes along with it? That is the issue they are trying to get around, if they do how many pay childsupport? their dilema in allowing gay marriages and how to deal with the children and families of gay relationships is brought about by the mess of law in the area written by Feminists, Gorrila Tits you havent proven anything at all? not even stats on domestic violence, no evidence whatsoever, better try next time!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/25/2005 3:45 pm

the problems experienced by those in Homosexual relationships as the "other" parent, are no different than those experienced by heterosexual step parents. and for exactly the same reasons!

Biological parents, what the law currently deems are the parents, don't have their children taken off them or lose residency because they are gay!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/25/2005 9:40 pm

Not sure if you realise this or not Mbarrett, but Feminist organisations really aren't working all that hard if at all, towards having gay marriage made a reality, because it would mean undoing 30 years of their own work!

if you follow their reasoning only lesbians should be permitted to marry, but pursueing just that is too obvious so they just don't or bumble all their attempts to make it look like they are trying, if you want gay marriage take the issue up with the feminists, they will tell you they want the same thing but they will never actively seek it, because it goes against their best interests.

for gay couples to be able to adopt children, you will also have to negate 30 years of propaganda that states men are the big bad bogey, which hide behind bushes in trench costs to steal small children for their pleasure.....

Feminists have worked damn hard for men to be seen as the meanie, they don't want that undone!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/25/2005 9:45 pm

To be Honest Mbarrett the day Gay marriage was first made legal in the US Fathers rights groups all over the world were cheering, you want to know why? because it would mean a new perspective in family law and the potential of attitudes changing with courts no longer being able to decide according to gender but they will have too look more closely at each case for its merits and dig a little deeper based on evidence, which previously has never before been seen in the family court arena,

as the gay marriage cascade turned into a torrent of denials, we realised we can't beat em, nor can you!

Gay marriage wont happen this generation, not until we deal with the feminists and the web they have woven....

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/26/2005 9:26 am

Wyvern, you are a complete and utter idiot. I don't know why I waste my time.

I'm sorry your father beat you and your uncle you, but you're wrong about feminists. As wrong as you are about everything else.

No feminist that I know has ever said that men are meanies or anythign else derogatory. We have male and female counselors, many of our staff are happily married, and we offer just as much assistance to male victims of sexual assault and domestic violence as we do to women.

Yeah, men all over the planet went up in Hoorahs! to know that they could now marry all their berr-buddies. You are so idiotic. Everything you say makes me laugh. You should try being a comic. Just think of how many times you could cheat on your husband, and he could cheat on you, and all the VD you guys could collect as you emotionally scar your children and whore yourself out on the road!

Have an sex change operation, moron. Then maybe you will be happy. You are so obviously against women and women's EQUALITY...so ...go join the other team.


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/26/2005 9:29 am

*beer buddies


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/26/2005 8:01 pm

"women's equality" ? now thats a paradox if ever I have seen one, you still don't get it!

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/26/2005 8:19 pm

oh gorilla tits I have joined the other team im not a feminist, I work towards equality, actual equality, for everyone.

its wimmen like you who give women a bad name gorilla tits.

and more and more women in this world are coming to realise it, do you realise that the majority of the research and articles I posted were written and researched by women! many of them who were once feminists, they woke up to themselves and realised what equality actually is, feminism isn't about equality....it is no different than apatheid only with feminism the classification of can and can't isn't determined by race.

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
4/28/2005 5:54 pm

Wyvern. You are a dolt. Thank you for proving my point.

I'd post something incredibly witty and once again shame you and expose your idiocy, but.....MBarrett fucked the fight right out of me...

*yawns and stretches contentedly*


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
4/29/2005 10:00 pm

lol more fool him, ROFLMAO

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
5/9/2005 1:39 pm

Is that your husbands penis? *laughing*

No wonder you step out.

I'm sure God forgives you! He understands, I mean, a woman of your advanced age has needs...don't women hit there peak around 80? *smile*


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
5/11/2005 2:56 am

my husbands penis????? you hallucinating dear?

you must be......

don't worry the men in white coats will find you shortly...

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
5/11/2005 8:16 am

I see you changed your pic back to your saggy tits. Good choice...and I'm glad you went with a super-support bra this time. Whoever's penis that was, it made me want to slit my wrists in sympathy.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
5/11/2005 10:37 pm

changed it back? this ones a recent pic, you are so fucken nuts it isn't funny,

your going to be committed before the end of the year my dear.

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
5/11/2005 10:41 pm

you must really not get out much gorilla tits, nor get laid very often. I pity you

no wonder you don't have your own blog......you can't interact with others, wonder how long before you scrap poor Mbarret the sap doesn't even know what's coming.

WyvernRose


GorillaTits 38F
22 posts
5/12/2005 3:02 pm

*chuckling* Don't worry ...when I do, I'm after your husband next. Just so I have something to laugh about later.

And yeah, I wouldn't want to claim that penis pic either.


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
5/12/2005 4:11 pm

good luck he is not as naieve as the children you fuck with

WyvernRose


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