The Passing of Chivalry & Knighthood  

LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
3114 posts
4/27/2006 10:52 am

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The Passing of Chivalry & Knighthood


Researching Chivalry has been a complete and total nightmare for me. Just like researching Richard the Lionheart has been a nightmare for me.

Every time that I look Richard the Lionheart up, the factual information offered is slightly to totally different. Historians can’t seem to agree on many of the events that took place during his life and they can’t agree on when or how he died. Much of what they teach is similar but absolutely none of it is ever the same.

According to what I have found for Chivalry, chivalry died because of the women’s rights movements of the 1970’s. Now that women have fought for and obtained equal rights to men, men are less civilized towards women than they historically were before they did not have equal rights.

This I can picture as being accurate since men like me have always dreamed and lived for that code of honor. Our dedication and idolization of women has always been just as important to us as our military skills. The way we fought and the way we treated women were significantly different than how virtually every other man treated women.

As of 1980 men like me existed in about one-third of society and now we exist within two percent of society. It is very safe to say that our extinction is due to the fact we are unable to live our dreams and everyone else can. Everyone around us gets to live a life of sin and moral corruption while we are confined to a 6 x 6 cell in which there is no possible sight of release in the near future.

LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
1241 posts
4/29/2006 8:06 am

Chivalry required a higher respect of women but did not require "idolization". To admire something greatly and show it higher respect is very different than "idolizing" it.


LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
1241 posts
4/27/2006 4:25 pm

I think people sometimes misunderstand the direction of my posts. The men who designed the codes of Chivalry are in danger of being exstinct but the code it self is not.

The code will always exist but every code needs to be changed from time to time in order to adapt to changes within society. If the creators die, truthfully, the code eventually dies with it.

When the writer goes, all future writings, analyzations and translations goes with it.


LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
1241 posts
4/27/2006 4:20 pm

I can feel you on that Demonic and I am sure a lot of people can. The best way is to find a balance between domination and submission. Both partners need to learn about and be able to play both roles. Sexually it can be wonderful but it is important in day to day relationship stuff as well.


demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
4/27/2006 3:32 pm

just looked up that gor/gorean thing.... ugh!!! i'd be a panther woman or talutha or whatever they call it. giving up stone hearth and caste to run away and live in the forests. I'm not submissive lol.

actually maybe it's more i mirror ppl? If i'm with a more submissive man, i tend to be gentle and a bit submissive myself. hmm... well, at least gentle. if i'm with a dominating man... i'll fight tooth and nail to the death at being dominated.


demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
4/27/2006 1:52 pm

Everyone around you gets to live a life of sin and moral corruption? what do you consider that to be?? for MANY... sex outside of formal marriage = sin and moral corruption (monogamous live in g/f or fiance still isn't married). umm...... *cough* (ok... just stating)

as for chivalry??? what do you consider to be chivalric? behaviors i mean. all my life i've had men open doors for me (even men that normally would leave a woman standing on the sidewalk if she didn't open her own door), men bow and kiss my hand (even random strangers at a restaurant i used to work at), and yesterday a complete stranger drove 30 minutes to climb a tree and bring my cat down... handed her to me, then left. i suppose these are, for the most part, minor... and the first example (man opening door) wouldn't count as if you're only nice to one person.... doesn't equate being nice in general. i realize it runs much deeper than these surface issues. But I see bits and pieces of it floating around. Most men do seem to dream of being chivalric... and if you give them half a chance, they jump at it. Or maybe that's just my version of reality Hmm... and I just remembered an archeological field trip i was on a few years back. One of the student assistants was a jerk and insulted myself and another woman. So.... the entire group of native americans and one other guy who'd closely alligned himself with them took it upon themselves to defend us. And get even. (Then drug us out to show off their work). Their #1 reason for being PO'd is that "No man should ever treat a woman that way!!"

Also... I think my life may have a *few* more chivalric ppl in it, due to the fact i belong to a medieval society, and that is one of the things pushed (actually the stranger that drove across town to rescue my cat from a tree is a squire, in service to a knight. most usually chivalry and codes of honor are highly stressed, amongst other things. still: i think he went above and beyond the 'call of squirely duty').


SabersandSpurs 63M  
7 posts
4/27/2006 11:07 am

You may want to research the writings of John Norman, in particular his series on Gor. Goreans make up an interesting alternative life style, which you may find interesting. There are also other "pockets" of Chivalry where you may not expect to find them. Many War Between the States heritage and re-enactment groups actually live the code.


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