Right & Wrong...  

LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
3114 posts
4/24/2006 1:41 pm

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4/30/2006 11:01 am

Right & Wrong...

There are some religions in this world that allow a man, woman, or child to commit sin after sin and all the person has to do is pray to god for forgiveness and supposedly god will immediately erase their sins. There is no mention in a specific manner as to the place of a person’s heart when asking for forgiveness. I wonder if I am the only person on the planet who finds this to be the most absurd thing that anyone has ever imagined.

We should all know right from wrong but sometimes you don’t truly learn what is right until you have done something truly wrong. Once you have learned what is truly right, you don’t go around doing the opposite unless you are a remarkably evil person. With this in mind, it would make sense that you can perform evil acts and yet still be forgiven by a god for these acts.

What about people who do something wrong and yet know it is wrong? They ask god for forgiveness and yet they immediately turn around and do the same evil things over again and again. Each time they do them, they pray to god for forgiveness. According to the bible, they are supposed to be forgiven regardless of how many wrongs they do. Where do you draw the line?

Let’s take premarital sex for example…

The bible says that two people are not supposed to have a sexual relationship until they are married. Despite the bible saying this, there are a lot of people who still engage in numerous sexual relationships long before they are married. These people pray to god to forgive them and then they go out and have sex with someone else afterwards. How is it that this would be permitted within the laws of the religion?

To me, if you have pre-marital sex once and ask for forgiveness, then it can be granted. By praying to god for having done something you know is wrong, you are showing god that you are learning and becoming responsible. From this point forward however, you are making a separate pack with god that is telling him you will not go out and continue to have sex with numerous people.

If you do go out and engage in pre-marital sex, you not only violate the will of god but you also violate the private oath you made to god when you originally prayed to him and asked him to forgive you. While this is what I believe, this is not what is taught…

At what point does god stop forgiving?

I find it hard to believe that a person could run around the world committing as many sins as they can and yet all they have to do afterwards is pray to be forgiven and they will be forgiven. Even a loving and caring god must have his limits?

At what point does god require men and women to act like “real” men and women and realize that they can’t run around committing sins and yet not be held responsible for them?

I know that in some bibles, children and given the freedom of not worrying about sins till they reach adulthood. This is obviously due to the fact that we have to do some wrong in order to learn right. It is one of our flaws as human beings! No one has the ability to know what is right till they have gotten their hands dirty.

I think adults believe that god will forgive them for their wrongs so that adults will never have to grow up and learn about real responsibility. Yes, we all make mistakes throughout our years. Let’s face it though, children have less freedom than adults do. Children get reprimanded by their parents when they doing something wrong (which is probably why god does not judge children). No one punishes the adults though unless god does it himself.

Okay, enough from me…

What are your theories and opinions?

woofff 41F

4/30/2006 8:59 am

The Concept of Sin is provocative to me to begin with.

What is sin - loosely speaking, it is the contradiction to a prevailing norm. Sin is society's tool for exercising control on various facets of human nature so as to generate a single common set of beliefs that govern the whole.

Religion (am addressing the Christian faith,largely) became a useful babysitter if you will...since everyone in society is fallible by the very nature of the specie how is righteousness exercised? Who is above human nature and can condemn a person for defying the norm? Enter: God.

So whether God is Hindu or Muslim or Christian or pagan, God is a human concept, meant to regulate human behaviour in the interest of maintaining social structure. It is therefore no wonder that some people have always managed to jump the fence and commit sin after sin and at the end of their day
they decry their deeds as being 'human' !!!

Is human nature, Loveandhonor. No more,no less.


LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
1241 posts
4/26/2006 11:15 am

I know they are responsible for their own actions...

To many people believe that all they have to do is ask for forgiveness though and it solves everything. They don't realize that god can see what their heart shows, if they are not being honest, they will not be foregiven.

demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
4/25/2006 8:20 pm

Islam has no concept of original sin. Adam and Eve sinned... realized their error... asked forgiveness. Were forgiven (though still kicked out of the garden)... end of story. Everybody is responsible for his/her own actions. just commenting...

jd29992z 54M
3888 posts
4/25/2006 4:04 pm

To really know you must first ask what really is sin. The seven deadly sins was not something God came up with it was a man. He in his youth was a wild partier and then in older age found the church. Now was he told by god or was he like an ex smoker once he put it behind him that vise is the worst in the world. The only rules that is supposed to have come from god is the ten commandments is says not to sleep with your neighbors wife is says nothing about sleeping with your girl friend. Confessing of sins for forgiveness is a way for the sinner to reflect on what he has done and try not to do it again or alt least make an effort. we are all week we are all human we will do the same thing over and over why because it feels good. Now dose it work? I don't know dose it make people feel better when they confess? I think so. We really wont know untill it is too late. I think what is in your heart matters a lot is sleeping with your girlfriend a sin or thinking the boss is a jerk (even if he is one) or anything else that dose not really hurt someone else? I don't think so but who am I just some

But to tell you the truth I think the priest just likes to listen to juicy gossip!!!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! See you JD

demonicsexkitten 41F
10671 posts
4/24/2006 3:55 pm

If i remember correctly, in islam children are free of sin till puberty. i could be wrong on this though, as it's not been something that's concerned me at all.

for adults... you pray to god and ask forgiveness. But you must mean it when you ask it, and must sincerely intend to never commit the sin again. If you do commit it again... that is another thing. But the forgiveness comes from sincere repentance in your heart. Another interesting thing... it says that if Allah hides your sins by night, do not go out uncovering them by day. i might have the exact words wrong... but basically if God keeps it hidden... it is a kindness to you. So don't ruin the gift by running off and blabbing.

Another thing... on the day of judgement when mankind stands before God... every body part, ever pet, ever animal (like sheep, goats, whatever) will bear witness upon your soul. If you kicked a dog in cruelty... then on the day of judgement, it will speak against you. If you did not take care of your body: it will speak against you. Same if you committ a sin i think.

And then my opinion ... regardless what religions say... I believe everything is up to God (forgiveness, heaven vs. hell, all of it) regardless of religion or belief. And it's illogical to ask for forgiveness for something if you're just going to turn around and do it again. Real forgiveness needs real regret. At least if it's asked for. But 2 things... 1: if all you have to do is say "sorry, forgive me" and you're forgiven, regardless of how often you do wrong... there is no human advancement, no lesson, no learning. Might as well be saying "do anything you want... there are no rules". 2: Forgiving does not equal Forgetting.

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