American that want to live in Mexico.  

Frnds4Play 53M/63F
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5/21/2006 11:07 pm

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5/27/2006 7:20 am

American that want to live in Mexico.

Stan and I got this in an e-mail a few days ago, since then I have been re-arranging the paragraphs for easier reading.

I found it fascinating reading, but I don't know if it is true.

The following from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.

I spent five years working in Mexico.

I worked under a tourist visa for three months and could
legally renew it for three more months. After that you were working
illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval. During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my U.S. passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country.

Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.

To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:

1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.

2. Marriage certificate.

3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.

4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.

5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.

6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no
arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was "a citizen in good standing."

7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated
why there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills
were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on
earth"> letter. It was fun to write.

All of the above were in English that had to be translated into
Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures
notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left Side and Spanish on the right.

Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours accompanied by a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government office
locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three

At each location (and we remember at least four locations) we were
instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant we rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid. We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and under contract and compliance with Mexican law.

We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to
our headquarters location with their photography and finger print
equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were
photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.

We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants
did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal size pages annually.

The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.

Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were
leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants,
tickets or liens before our household goods were released to customs.

It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen
went through it once they would have a different attitude toward

The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to
keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at
their White House or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly
reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never shown on US or Mexican TV.

There is a large public park across the street where they do their protesting. Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in California or Texas.

Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being
hard on illegal immigrants.


warmandsexy52 64M
13164 posts
5/22/2006 4:57 pm

Naive Englishman wonders whether all the Mexicans are trying to head north because they too can't keep up with all the paperwork!

warm xx

warmandsexy52 64M
13164 posts
5/27/2006 5:00 am

My comment was flippant, kat. We have exactly the same problem. We have recently had a scandal where a civil servant has been offering jobs for sex in the very department that deals with illegal immigrants. It then turned out that the civil servant was an illegal immigrant too!

Another scandal has been the failure of the government to deport dangerous criminals, including murderers, and paedophiles once they have finished their prison terms, which are much shorter this side of the pond than they are in the States. One Secretary of State for the Home Office has resigned and his successor is having the hardest of times, especially since it's turned out that the same has happened with released inmates of high security hospitals for the criminally insane, and no records exist at all for them!

One particular case was a young policewoman who was murdered by a Somali here as a political asylum seeker. Her murderer fled the forces of justice all the way back to guess where? Yes, you got it in one - Somalia.

In another nine Afghanis who hijacked a plane to come to the UK in November 2001 have been granted political asylum in the UK recently. Hang on a moment - we came along with you guys to invade Afghanistan so that country is by international law under our joint protection as long as our soldiers are there. So they're fleeing from our protection to our protection? And is it that smart to condone acts of hijacking after 9/11? The world has gone mad!

Despite the fact that we are surrounded by water illegal immigrants, largely from the poorer countries in Eastern Europe are flooding in with freight transport. No one's sure what the numbers are. They too perform that vital role of doing all the menial jobs indigenous Brits won't do. Relatively speaking, the UK is an affluent and caring country where opportunities exist.

I think the only solution is to create opportunities in poorer countries, so people don't migrate. But that will take enormous levels of international goodwill and these days that seems to be increasingly hard to come by.

Like you, I could go on.

warm xx

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