Status of upgrades to groups and friend network  

Andrew 49M  
3913 posts
5/7/2006 8:32 pm

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Status of upgrades to groups and friend network

As you might have noticed, the much anticipated upgrades didn't go live last week. Here's what happened and the current status (for those who don't want to read the details, we are going to try to upgrade again Monday/Tuesday of this coming week)... starting with smaller sites.

Both:
Currently, the site displays members of groups or friend networks regardless if that member's profile is available or if they are still a member of the site. Doing this makes it easier to get a count of members (b/c we don't have to check if each is active). The new code will check to see the status of each member before showing it to you. While it's fast for small groups and networks, those with 10,000+ members bog down. Much of our work this past week was to find ways to speed this up (the way databases work, if any pages are slow, it could slow down currently fast pages).

The new upgrades will let you sort groups and friends by last login, age, date joined network, handle, etc.

One thing people will notice right away is that the number of friends/members shown on main pages will be different than what they see on friends/member lists. This is because the larger number is the total number of candidates and the smaller is only the number of members who have an active profile. While we put text on the page to explain things, there will be people who freak out.

Group Changes:
- Very large groups will automatically have activity requirements for members to be shown as active. This is helpful for groups with 100,000 "members" who don't contribute to the group as well as helps speed up the display of members.
- The format of group members will also change and look more similar to search result listings (with links to view blogs, etc).

Friend Network Changes:

- We will only show the most recent 100 invites at a time. Some members get thousands of invites that they don't respond to. By requiring a decision on the first 100 before seeing more, members will know if their invites are accepted earlier. We will also delete invites that are older than 3 months.

- One delay has been in internal debate on how friend "links" are maintained. One-way verses Two-way. Currently, if either party of a friendship removes the other from his/her list, the removed person still sees the other in his/her list. Doing this enables people to keep track of "potential" friends but can get confusing. If we break both links when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release.

Friends and groups code has been around for over five years and had too many patches on patches added. Before fixing bugs and adding features, the goal is to simplify the software. This will make future improvements easier to do. We have reduced the size of the software by over 4,000 lines since this process started three weeks ago.

I share member's frustration that the improvements didn't make it live last week. We just want to ensure that the upgrades will be an improvement (faster, less buggy, and more capability). I'm not only the CEO, I'm a member too... will do all I can to help get upgrades live as soon as possible. Thanks so much for your patience.


moonlightphoenix 45F
6508 posts
5/7/2006 2:44 pm

Personally, I'd be thrilled if the friend link would allow us to disappear from the other person's list when we decline the invitation or delete them from our own list.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 2:56 pm:
Yeh, that was what I thought...

bardicman 50M

5/7/2006 2:48 pm

Interesting changes.



I am not dead yet


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 2:56 pm:
Interesting hair

caressmewell 53F

5/7/2006 2:51 pm

Thank you for the update.

Why not delete invites older than 30 days?

Break both links in the friends network, it makes more sense this way.

I would rather have a delay than slower, buggy updates.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 2:57 pm:
Well.. since we currently have invites from the beginning of time, thought 3 months would upset some people less (there are some people who like seeing old invites for some reason)...

TickleMeBBW 36F

5/7/2006 2:55 pm

Thanks for all your great work Luvpump, glad it's you managing this place and not me LoL

Tickles


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:20 pm:
It's only great if it works - fingers crossed.

WowieZowie1 56M

5/7/2006 2:55 pm

On Groups: I'd love to see the 'Associate Member' disappear and instead the member be removed from the group. If a person really wants to be a member, they will rejoin. Otherwise it just clutters up the group as well as the database.

On Friend Network: If one removes the link, I believe both links need to be removed. Obviously there's a reason for the termination of the link on one end, it makes no sense to keep it on the other.

Keep up the good work...the new changes are definately a step in the right direction....


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:21 pm:
About associate members, it's useful to keep them as you can see what groups you joined on the main pages. The new version will make them not be visible for larger groups and deprecated on others.

I heard ya on friend network...

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/7/2006 2:58 pm

"If we break both links when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release"

I personally would say break the links cleanly on both ends. If a member decides to remove a member from their network of friends, how do you declare the individuals as friends?

In concerns to Groups:

Will these updates with the removal of 4000 lines help speed up the process of postings through the database? Majority of members are getting frustrated that their postings can and have been taking up to 72 hours to being displayed and are losing many postings that they submitted. I know over the weekend alone in my own group that at least 12 postings of mine were lost completely.

I know that the postings are scanned for certain words or phrases, but for the life of me I do not understand why the affiliate sites of Various Inc. are within that scanning process when it is no mystery to the members that the sites are linked together; such as Passion, Hotmatch, Adult-Friend-Finder, etc... and if abbreviated they are edited. Just my opinion that their is unnecessary clutter in the scans of postings.

Nick


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:23 pm:
Just people will complain that their friends "disappeared" if we cut both links (can't please everyone)

Yes, once the code is cleaned up, we will be streamlining
the process that posts go live (similarly to how we do it
for blogs).

JuicyBBW1001 54F

5/7/2006 3:05 pm

I have a suggestion actually make sure people are posting questions in the advice lines and not just erotic stories. I use to enjoy the advice lines and met some wonderful folks there too but lately there isn't much except for stories.
Also I vote that AdultFriendFinder should have an erotic art gallery of some sort for the member's like myself who like to draw it and share it.

Just my two cents from the peanut gallery

Juicy


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:24 pm:
Will get there soon

RevJoseyWales 69M/66F
14393 posts
5/7/2006 3:15 pm

VIVA BLF!

"McVeigh had the right idea, wrong address."

"This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok."


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:28 pm:
Hey... it's members like you that puts the fire under my ass to get this thing working!

moonlightphoenix 45F
6508 posts
5/7/2006 3:16 pm

Just a note on the old invites: sometimes people are unable to really tend to their invites due to time, travel, and internet access constraints. It would be nice to still be able to have them stored for a length of time, although, personally, I feel 3 months would be sufficent. Or perhaps the time length could be an option that we could set individually?


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 3:25 pm:
Yes, in fact, we might have made the limit 6 months and will prune it from there

Djeeper1987 47M

5/7/2006 3:25 pm

Again hmmmmm?

Carpe Diem


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:43 pm:
Yup. But the release is better today than it was last week - hopefully this release will be smoother.

MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/7/2006 3:35 pm

"luvpump replies on 5/7/2006 3:23 pm:
Just people will complain that their friends "disappeared" if we cut both links (can't please everyone)

Yes, once the code is cleaned up, we will be streamlining
the process that posts go live (similarly to how we do it
for blogs)."

I definitely see your point. Very logical.

I am looking forward to what is coming this week hopefully.

This is something I leave for you Andrew. [post 283957]

Your1DreamLover
Nick


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:42 pm:
Thanks!

Lovin_U_4_Fun 54F

5/7/2006 3:45 pm

inmho, when I remove a friend from my network, my status as friend should also be removed automatically. This is why:

1) I might accept someone as a friend and then later find they behave a way on the site in which I don't want to be associated.

2) At first, I accepted everyone who asked to be in my network because I didn't know what I was doing. A newbie has no way of understanding the ramifications of being in a friend's network. We should be able to control which networks we are in.

3) The very reason you listed as a GOOD reason to keep the second link is a BAD reason in my book! If I remove someone from my network, I certainly do not want to encourage him to be keeping tabs on me! I want all traces of my profile out of his network. He can always do a search on me if he is really interested! But to keep my pic there as a a reminder is unnecessary and only encourages him to contact me.

imho, the Friends Network should be a double opt-in. If at any time one of the two opts out, there is no link between the two.

Thanks for asking the question. I hope you do make this change as soon as possible.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:44 pm:
This release will keep them as separate pointers but we will soon change it to be a all-or-nothing thing.

happyladychat 47F
3740 posts
5/7/2006 3:48 pm

I never participate in Groups or Friends Network since I'm a cautious person and prefer going solo. But I'm happy to learn that you are making much effort and time in ensuring smooth upgrades.

This is the RIGHT ATTITUDE of a CEO! Thanks!!


Make it your challenge.... turn me ON!!


toys2us 58M/58F
147 posts
5/7/2006 3:49 pm

Hi,
When we first signed on, we ended up waiting 2 months before excepting any invites as we were leaning what was what. So the 60 to 90 day makes sense. Two thumbs up on the break the network on both sides. Also like to see the trash empty every 30? days on declined invites.

Keep working on the speed!!
Thanks, Toys


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 4:45 pm:
Will do!

funontheside4you 41M/38F

5/7/2006 5:26 pm

All of your changes are going to be great, but I don't
think that you are addressing the biggest headache of all of us paying males.
**** FAKE FEMALE PROFILES ****

This would be eliminated if you did a one time member charge of
$5 or $10 unless they go to silver or gold status....Then charge them nothing. This would only be charged the first time the profile was created.
You would also have to make sure that credit card name and name of new member was the same....
Now this would reduce your fakes, but are you even interested in reducing your fake females?????
P.S. beisides that I love AdultFriendFinder.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:13 pm:
Yes, I am working on two projects this weekend - speeding up code for groups and upgrading our anti-fake profile code. Starting this release, we are going to be much tougher on members sending personal contact info in messages (the #1 reason why scammers have fake accounts). I will make a post soon on efforts that going on and new ways we are going to get rid of these profiles.

One issue it that guys send their personal emails to these accounts and the "owner" of them then feeds them to a spam list. The only way to stop them is to make it harder to give them contact info. We have to still let real members be able to get email without paying.

We hate having fake profiles posted as it reduces the the community of the site. We're working hard to fight it - improvements rolled out soon.

GossipJunkie 40F

5/7/2006 5:47 pm

If I delete someone from my Friends Network, I don't want to still be in theirs.

Also, if the last time someone visited the site was a year or more ago, delete their profile. Wouldn't doing so be a benefit on the technical side? If I do a search, I don't want to come across profiles that haven't been logged on in the year 2006--it's five months old already--that many months of inactivity deserves/warrants deletion.

One last thing, is there a way you can alert to new mail without having to click to the mailox or home page. A person can be in blog land can be there for a quite awhile and not realize that they have new mail.

GossipJunkie
"Dance like nobody's watching"


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:14 pm:
I heard ya

Once we have site speed under control, we could do more real-time alerts on the site.

themisskrissy 56F
2302 posts
5/7/2006 6:10 pm

i just assumed that if i removed someone from my network i was removed from thiers.. silly me!!
i still want blocked members stopped from SEEING my profile or blog... as i say in my blog.. it is like letting peeping toms have access to your windows, even if they can't get thru the door..


Virtue Alone Ennobles


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:15 pm:
Looks like it's unanimous - I like when things are unanimous!

mm0206 69F
7767 posts
5/7/2006 7:00 pm

when either member cuts the friend link, then friends would "disappear" from the member's list. I'm personally leaning towards making this change (feedback please?) but it will not be part of this release.

I think someone should have the ability to erase theirself from a friends network if they are deleting that friend.
and
I appreciate all your efforts and the AdultFriendFinder team.

..m.


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:16 pm:
Thx

NSAAddict 42F

5/7/2006 7:39 pm

Hi LuvPump! Thanks for all the wonderful changes you've made to the site over the past couple of months, especially in the blog area. one question, I've been trying to change a friend in my network from the general category to a different one and it won't work. Is that just a sideeffect of the changes you're making, or is there another way to do it besides using the move to category button? Thanks!


Andrew replies on 5/7/2006 8:25 pm:
I know that changing group categories is bugged in the new system but I don't know if it's fixed yet. It is important to fix it.

papyrina 51F
21133 posts
5/8/2006 12:43 am

thanks hun


I'm a

and
i'm here to stay


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:26 am:
THx

GiggleBite 57M

5/8/2006 1:34 am

Am I actually reading that ALL the deadwood profiles will be removed ENTIRELY from the site, or are they being put into hibernation?


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:28 am:
The database that stores friends and group members USED to not check if they are still an *active* member. The new code will just show members who's profiles are viewable.

Springsluvr 61F

5/8/2006 12:26 pm

Is there any chance of getting back the old function of the View All threads? The newest threads would appear at the top, not the ones to which someone has posted the most recently. This was extremely helpful. If a group is active, new threads may never appear on the front page, and may be permanently buried. The old function at least allowed us to see all of the new ones at the top so that we could post to them, and allow them to show up on the front page. Thank you.


qyxx 60F
3267 posts
5/8/2006 2:34 pm

Thank you Andrew for all your efforts. I am not computer literate like some but I know that the kind of overhaul you are taking on is no simple task. I have noticed an improvement from the dead stop the whole group system was at before; there are still some problems but there has been some progress. I hope that the newly released upgrades will further enhance the group experience.

I think it is important if we all understood the capabilities of the system, we could come up with some ways to work with it. I speak for myself when I say that I am not looking for to have my wishlist addressed at this point. I just want to know what are the system capabilities.

Q.


qyxx 60F
3267 posts
5/8/2006 5:37 pm

However, some groups have an intro thread for new members. It would be nice if this could stay at the top or have a separate section

Q.


rm_justron9000 55M
1301 posts
5/8/2006 7:02 pm

He is finally acknowledging the system lags. So why not give him time to work on it. These attacks currently do not serve purpose.


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:57 pm:
Thanks - we released new code on friendfinder today and
it seems to hold up. So Tuesday morning we'll do ALT.com
and OutPersonals and hopefully this site in afternoon
or Wednesday providing things go smooth.

redrobin012057 60F

5/8/2006 7:19 pm

Many *hugs* Andrew,I await patiently with demure poise


Andrew replies on 5/8/2006 10:57 pm:
Hopefully you can stand up soon

oldemt47 69M

5/8/2006 7:52 pm

Yes, I am working on two projects this weekend - speeding up code for groups and upgrading our anti-fake profile code. Starting this release, we are going to be much tougher on members sending personal contact info in messages (the #1 reason why scammers have fake accounts). I will make a post soon on efforts that going on and new ways we are going to get rid of these profiles.

One issue it that guys send their personal emails to these accounts and the "owner" of them then feeds them to a spam list. The only way to stop them is to make it harder to give them contact info. We have to still let real members be able to get email without paying.

We hate having fake profiles posted as it reduces the the community of the site. We're working hard to fight it - improvements rolled out soon

Comment on the Contact Info Issue. I understand all the issues you noted, and I know the possible risk someone takes posting contact info to get more contact with a person who is an AdultFriendFinder member. But I have a problem. AdultFriendFinder is an Adult site, and as such is blocked by a lot of servers. I worked at a site that allowed access to my e-mail accounts and some CHAT software, but not AdultFriendFinder. If I wanted to talk to someone I meet here I was out of luck.
I have been a target of west African scammers, but I still want to be able to pass contact info to some people I meet here. Since I pay the extra for standard members to e-mail me here why not let me feed non-AdultFriendFinder contact info back to allow non-adult site access to my friends when I want?
Just a thought from an Old EMT. Thanks for the site. A Gold + member


Andrew 49M  
1246 posts
5/8/2006 10:59 pm

Thanks for the feedback - we have a multiple prong strategy that will be rolled out soon. We don't want to block 100% of contact info sending, just people who send it out all the time before they get to know someone.


MyHeartLost4U 52M
2303 posts
5/9/2006 6:14 am

    Quoting Andrew:
    Thanks for the feedback - we have a multiple prong strategy that will be rolled out soon. We don't want to block 100% of contact info sending, just people who send it out all the time before they get to know someone.
I am also a member of Friendfinder and took a look at a Group I created there. I like the way the member listing page is done, but I do have one Q (question). Is there any possibility that a Member Handle search will be added to the Group Member Listing Page and Banned Member Page?

Reason I ask is that some groups have more then 10 pages of members and when need to ban or remove a banning from a member it is quite difficult to find them through all the pages. For my group of The Likeminded Ones that I moderate over I have 14 pages of banned members alone.

It would really help serious "Active Moderators" of Groups if there was a Member Handle Search as what is on the Blog section.


Nick


Vampaerus 40M
373 posts
5/9/2006 9:03 am

luvpump, as someone who used to code for a living, I am glad you are taking the time to weed through the code and trim the fat. I know first hand what a nitemare patches upon patches can be. Thanks for finally being frank about what is going on. It has given me new patience.

You asked for feedback about friends, I happen to agree with everyone else that once one end is gone, a link no longer exists and the other end needs to be cleaned up as well. By what many ladies have expressed, most will know well why their "friend" disappeared. From a code stand point here's a tip on double pointers. Follow the pointer BEFORE you delete it. ProfileA clicks delete on ProfileB. That's your pointer TO profile B. Follow it to open ProfileB, in *it's* friends DB search for ProfileA. Delete that link first. Then close ProfileB and delete the link in ProfileA. It *should* be cake but I know theory and practice can be two different beasts. Best of luck to ya! -V

(btw, I only recently discovered this blog. Will be chiming in more. Would also be more than happy to be on a parmanent feedback group/list)


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:18 am:
Yup, exactly how we're coding it

Vampaerus 40M
373 posts
5/9/2006 9:43 am

Oh yeah, one more thing. I think the Associate Member stuff is a cool idea. But there is one thing that I think would be far easier to code, and yet potentially alot more useful. That is giving moderators a link to simply REMOVE a member. Currently BAN is the only option. If a persons activity has fallen so low, moderators wish to just not see them, not have another list of clutter. And removing a member is essentially the same code as remove a friend. K.I.S.S. no?


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:19 am:
we launch in 34 hours, we'll see

rm_justron9000 55M
1301 posts
5/9/2006 4:45 pm

i am some what surprised that we did not take advantage of the line, "I'm not only the C.E.O..."


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:19 am:
I'll have to try that one day as a pickup line...

rm_kelli4u2dew 41F
5220 posts
5/11/2006 5:44 am

If I remove someone from my friends list, I don't want to show up on theirs.


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:19 am:
I wanna be in yours

rm_respool2 71M

5/11/2006 1:00 pm

My two cents.

I say if someone doesn't want me in their network (or me want them in mine) then the tie should be cut on both ends.

Another Cent:

I would think that the efficient operation of this site would be highly contingent on management of the resources and constant managable hardware and software updates to improve functionality.

For example; why do the Advice Line question and answer archives go all the way back to 1999???

Couldn't those computer resources be better used to make this site more efficient overall? And, couldn't the whole concept of keeping things current (say 6 months or 1 year max) make the site more pleasurable to use and easier to manage as a whole? Since this is not the Library of Congress why would any of this be kept longer than a year???

Sorry, that was 3 cents!!


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:20 am:
Yup, added $100K more hardware last week

Toodela 59M
1745 posts
5/12/2006 9:33 am

Thank you for all the hard work. I can just imagine what a pleasure it will be to manage my group once the updates are completed.

ΓΏ


Honor has not to be won; it must only not be lost.

~One Minute in Life~



Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:23 am:
TMinus 2 days

kagey24 55F
393 posts
5/12/2006 10:30 am

Just wondering .. would it be possible to have in the member list a search box in order to find a member easier when wanting to ban someone ??? Is it possible to ban more than one member at a time ??

Kissing is my kinda language
{=}

Toronto BBW


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:24 am:
you'll get better sorting in 2 days... maybe search later

Shelly_Marie 44F

5/12/2006 3:23 pm

HELP!Please....lol...In my group called Big Tit Lovers, the associate members list keeps going back to '1 post every 3 months'...which is ok I guess, but since this group is of a sexual nature, and I realize that people have other things to do and all, like maybe they travel for business etc, or who knows what, I dont really expect them to post once every 3 months, I like to keep it set at once every 6 months, and I have tried to change it back to '1 post every 6 months' at least three times now, and it keeps going back to '1 post every 3 months'. I will email CS about it, but I thought you might want to know about it....not sure how many others have that happening, but they might wanna check theirs too....


Andrew replies on 5/14/2006 2:25 am:
We set some minimum activity settings each night (to speed up this new software release)

themisskrissy 56F
2302 posts
5/13/2006 1:33 pm

Andrew,
It is time someone did something about MeLikeKmunch and all his other fake profiles. I am sure many wouldn't care if he blogged his way to hell, but he is ABUSING the intent of the Advice Line, and verbally abuses members that oppose him.

While on the subject of the Advice Line, it is the complete shambles now. Not just the programming problems, but the misuse of many people including the above and niceguy20402. It no longer serves a real function of helping others with sex and relationship issues.

A number of members have left the site entirely over this, and many more are not renewing memberships they say. I would like to see the Advice Line survive. I learned from it, and helped many as well.

I would like to see a panel of members review the posts and submit only those that are legitimate. As it is now, you have a racist/sexist joker with around 200 threads, one women recently was soliciting "favors for favors", posts about incest and bestiality have come into it. muzby, livinlavalova, stealthceleb, MeLikeKmunch and now the new one Aminsexy25 ? something carrying out his nonsense.

Many members have made complaints to the Abuse team about Blogs and items in the magazine that are clearly viloations of the ToU, yet nothing seems to be done. Asking for some acknowledgement that these complaints are even being heard is ignored.

Does the Terms of Use exist only for the lawyers and Various Inc. and not for the members?

I know this is not the intent of this blog, but dammit many are getting fed up!

Thank you for listening,

tmk


Virtue Alone Ennobles


DwarfCreptRadio 54M
7 posts
8/14/2006 10:19 am

Sin just came back from the four corner States and want to sign on to the site clouded get on why?


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