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classyginger
10/3/2008 7:31 pm |
Who won? He did! Look, she didn’t blow it but all I saw was her tap dancing her way around every and anything that she didn’t have an answer to. She did a rope-a-dope that would have made Muhammad Ali marvel! It was like they told her that if she was asked anything that wasn’t on the index cards go right to energy and what you did in Alaska. She was forever playing the folksy down home game that she plays quite well. What was up with this shout-outs, winking, soccer mom and Joe-six-pack stuff? An attempt to swoon the emotional low information voter, no doubt. Remind you of anything? How about George Bush 2000! She did nothing more that repeat the same talking points that she has been repeating at McCain rally’s. Very short on substance. Before she even got started she announced to all that she was going to do this her way. Gwen Ifill should have called Sarah on her announcement that she wasn’t going to listen to the mediator or the Washington types but “talk directly to the American people”. I was like, what the?!?! Definitely something that her handlers told her to say. In her opening answer to the first question that was asked, she riffed her statements out so quickly and in one breath that I thought she might pass out! That debate format played well for her. No wonder the McCain campaign fought hard to get that particular format. What was up with the cheat sheets? How come they were allowed to have index cards, notes or whatever? As for Gwen Ifill; she clearly had allowed herself to be intimidated by the McCain campaign. News broke (even though she announce it back in July) that she was writing a book titled; “black politicians in the age of Obama”. I read an article about that upcoming book and it’s not about Obama but about black Politicians on the scene today. Which includes Republicans like Michal Steele, JC Watts and Ken Blackwell. Anyway I’ve watched Gwen Ifill many times in the past on both PBS and meet the Press (Tim Russet {RIP} liked her and use to have her on his panel quite often) she is rather capable. I found it strange that Ifill did not ask follow up questions… something that would have let us know whether the candidates knew what they were talking about or not. Ifill was definitely off of her game, she was tip toeing and playing softball, I was disappointed in her. I keep hearing this line: John McCain “knows how to win a war”. I’ve heard him say it and last night I heard her say it. Did I miss something or did we win the war in Viet Nam? Which war did John McCain win? As Biden reminded us last night John McCain once said that the war in Afghanistan was already won. Hear him tell it the war in Iraq has been won already! He likes to use the word “victory” in relations to the surge in Iraq. Correct me if I’m wrong but did you hear her say that she thinks that the VP should have more powers? More than Chaney had? Huh??? What the!!! Cheney has been the most powerful VP in US history; does she mean to be more powerful than Cheney? What a frightening thought! Two instant polls agree: Biden won the debate; CBS used uncommitted voters, who gave Biden the edge in early numbers, 46-21 percent, over Palin. CNN's instant poll of regular voters showed Biden victorious, 51-36. Did anyone notice that she kept saying to Biden that he was looking at the past... What? Is George Bush the past... Hello! He’s still President! Notice she couldn’t tell us which of John McCain’s policies were going to be different than those of George Bushes. The woman just speaks in pure generalizations. Anytime that Palin was confused I noticed that she went back to talking about Energy. At times getting totally off subject. It just looked to me as if she was reciting stuff that she rehearsed. Not hard to do when the notes were right there in front of you. I loved it when Biden cleaned her clock about her constant references to McCain being a Maverick. Something that she repeats ad nauseum. That was my favorite exchange of the whole evening. He let her know, showing in no less than five points that McCain is no Maverick. Shut her down with that crap... didn’t hear it again for the rest of the evening. Finally I predict that we will not see any more interviews done with Sarah Palin. Unless maybe another one done by Sean Hannity or the Fox crew. We’ll only hear from her on the campaign trail, rehashing the same talking points as she did last night. Look, if you liked her, or wanted to like her she gave you a reason to last night. That’s the best that I’ll say about Palins performance. As for John McCain: fasten your seatbelts peeps you’re about to see negative political discourse ratcheted up like never before. Rev. Wright, Rezko, Ayres, and the rest of that stale BS will definitely be revisited! Anybody catch that clip of Grampi at a rally today? It was the goofiest thing, he said; “How about Sarah Palin last night... Huh... Huh”. Absolutely Hilarious! ps: I want to apologize for not commenting on my last three posts. I’ve read your comments and am privilege to have so many of Passions.com's intellectuals commenting on my Blog. Very privileged indeed. I have not been able to answer them because I haven’t had any time to myself. I’ve been preoccupied with out of town house guests for over a week now. One of the draw backs about living in Vegas is that friends from different parts of the county are always coming out here and expecting you to drop what you're doing and be there for them. I'll start answering the comments over the weekend... “You bet cha!”
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 10/3/2008 8:00 pm |
Sarah the winking rope-a-doping soccer mom maverick.  Yadda, yadda, yadda. Did you catch the point she made on wanting more power for the vp. Cut it out Sarah! She had an agenda that was not going to be deterred by the moderator. Basically a stump speech. And that annoying voice. Squawking like the character from the movie Fargo. It got to the point where I didn't care if Biden talked about his hair plugs,just as long as I didn't have to listen to that grating sound of fingernails scratching a chalkboard.Say it ain't so Joe. Can I call ya Joe? Wait she might have a place in government. Send her to countries we deem as enemies. Let her squawk at them. I'll guess that they hang themselves within an hour. That's what it's means when they say McCain knows how to win a war. Can't believe I waisted a bag of popcorn watching the debate! This concludes my rant.I have more but I'm not going to rant like you want me to. I'm going outside and talk directly to....you get my point.  To The Right Of Some And Left Of Others
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10/3/2008 8:11 pm |
I hear you about out of town guests. I wasn't in my house a month and had my parent's & sisters family visiting at different times. Love, Light, Laughter, Leave a Legacy, Greg
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 10/3/2008 8:24 pm |
It's funny that her supporters are spinning this as a victory. I can't stop laughing every time I hear Ed Rollins and Bay Buchanan speak. I won't even get into Pat Buchanan. I know Dems do it when they have shitty candidates too, but this has gone beyond ridiculous. I was cringing during the debate, even though she was no where near as bad as she was during the Couric interviews. They trained her well, dodge the questions you don't know and shift to energy, and stick to the talking points. The most notable thing? Joe Biden hitting a home run when he spoke about raising his sons. Totally blew away her hokiness in that one move, accentuated by the fact she was totally unmoved by it. That was almost as bad as when she said his wife's reward was in heaven. I'm sure she didn't mean it that way, but it was a * sweet jeebus , did she just say that* moment for me. The funniest? Asking Biden if she could call him Joe, and realizing later she only asked him so she could use the lame "Say it ain't so Joe" line later. If that's the victory they wanted, they are welcome to it.  In exile...Somewhere in the land of the banned.
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10/3/2008 8:58 pm |
" Nothing that she says sounds genuine to me, nothing..." Sorry Gin. I have to disagree with you on this one. I find quite a bit of what she says to be genuine................genuine~^~! Sarah has a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth.  You're darn tootin' I said that. I'm giving a shout out to Rolaids. I needed it after the debate. Great post. Again  To The Right Of Some And Left Of Others
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10/3/2008 9:26 pm |
Palin was preaching to the choir, which I have to assume is the new Rep strategy. They've already lost the undecideds, so their only hope is to mobilize the trailer park residents who are stupid enough to fall for her bullshit, much like W did in '04. I thought Biden did a very good job. Where he could have done better is in calling her on her supposed energy experience. It's evident that Obama and he are staying away from direct confrontation as much as possible (did anyone notice Palin stole that technique by agreeing with Biden as often as she could to begin statements, which Obama was criticized for?- at least they learned something), but he could have cut her legs out from under her if he had once said, "Come on, your energy experience is severely limited," just as when he called her on the Maverick shit, she didn't, and couldn't, go back to it. What would she have talked about if not her "vast" energy experience? An hour of hockey mom talk?
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10/3/2008 9:37 pm |
Freaking Tina Fey...that's all I could think of thru the whole thing... Hey, you know who I really, really like? (remind me to mention this to bubbles, too) - David Gergen. The spin doctors (on all ends) are driving me nuts and he's the one 'expert' I enjoy listening to. Yeah, I'm still blogging...
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10/3/2008 9:45 pm |
Here is the thing, and the crux of the election, You and I know what we think and vote what we know. This election is about those that follow not lead, and I don't mean the candidates, I mean those "undecided" voters. We see a debate for what it is, what both parties are trying to do is "centerize", say the things that they think those "undecided" voters want to hear, and thus win. They really in all actuality don't care what the died in the wool true blue republicans/democrats think. They know nothing they say or do will change those peoples minds. I.E. Nothing McCain says will change my vote. Nothing. When Old MacDonald or what ever his name is is at a rally, who is there? A boat load of "undecideds? No a boat load of brain washed Republicans. Same with Obama, when ever you see either of these guys at a rally, its with their "OWN KIND". Although many of those there are thinking for themselves, many of them are republicans/democrats who vote party blindly. Hence the reason she was coached the way she was, and the same with Biden. Its all about image and who can sway those who are "undecided." Its the same every election. Staunch Dem's cancel staunch Reps,(not literally but you know what I mean) and its the middle that decides. Its all so scripted its sappy sweet sickening. Not sure I explained it well, but she did what she did not for you and I but for those who blindly follow, who wait to hear the commentary after to decide what their opinion is. We rile against voter apathy, but is it any better those that vote and don't even have a single original thought of their own? Rock the Vote.
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10/3/2008 10:28 pm |
sorry there...but i would like to ask...are u a malay girl?just to know cause of your dress..kebaya is it
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10/4/2008 1:50 am |
Quote: I found it strange that Ifill did not ask follow up questions… The "no follow-up questions" was part of the pre-agreed rules. Not a lapse on Gwen Ifill's part - she simply was constrained by the scripted code of conduct. I can't add much to the analysis already shared, so how about some late-night comedian one-liners on the VP debate. Here are 3: 1. Political experts said Palin needed to demonstrate that her concerns matched those of everyday Americans, according to Conan O’Brien of NBC’s “Late Night.” “For instance, Palin planned to start the debate by saying she’s really troubled by John McCain’s choice for vice president,”. 2. Leno also quipped: “This is kind of interesting: According to a recent poll, 61 percent of people surveyed said they’d rather see Sarah Palin in a bikini than Pamela Anderson. Although 99 percent said they’d rather see Pamela Anderson as vice president.” 3. “Tonight, a debate between candidates for the most powerful office in the land: Dick Cheney’s,” said Stephen Colbert on Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report.”
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10/4/2008 3:37 am |
Hey Gin,I see you have your usual line-up of bobbleheads nodding in agreement to your every word. Then there's the birdman. You are right about one thing:the war in Iraq has not been won.That is exactly why we CANNOT pull out like Obama wants to do. Ye,I do want to bring our troops home,we should never have gone into Iraq in the first place. But if we pull out Iraq will tear itself apart,and de-stabilize the whole middle east.
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10/4/2008 5:27 am |
The right position??? According to who? You? As for the debate,I have to admit I only saw bits and pieces,(hey,the playoffs are on),but I think Ms. Palin did a very good job. She was poised,articulate,and fairly well informed. That's a victory in itself,after those disastrous interviews.But you have to give her some credit,she's no dumb broad.
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10/4/2008 6:37 am |
I never said Palin won the debate. I'm just saying she deserves some respect. Neither she nor Biden would be my choice for VP.For that matter,neither McCain nor Obama would be my choice for president.
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10/4/2008 7:02 am |
Saw the debate.. Did a blog while it was happening ...check the time... Joe body language was terrible... he looked down all the time... his head was down looking up over imaginary glasses... "let me repeat"... If Joe Biden was as great as everyone here is making him out to be he would have got more than 1% in IOWA.. behind Richardson. Middle america is folksy.. big city folks forget that... that is why it is called fly overland... Though I have not looked at it but... I would bet most of those here who agree that Biden won live in the classic blue states. I mean cities... So she wanted to get her points across.. that was the point... and at the republican convention speech she said she was not here to make nice with the press or the establishment ( Biden). Joe was looking back talking about a candidate who is not running.. Yet when you say the past only matters on one side... all that old bs does matter... Obama's drug use, Rezko, Ayers, Rev Wright, and acorn. Which is linked to voter fraud in 12 states including OH. Search for it... type in acorn voter fraud and look for your self.. Why does it matter...... OBAMA was their lawyer.... that is why.... It does matter...oh and there seems to be fraud happening already.........but what would you expect from a Chicago politician. Check out the weathermen. Ayers.. They did actually blow stuff up.. Like the Capitol..Brian V Mcdonell.. a san fran police officer they killed....... they killed... they killed...That really angers me but then I have an x wife who was a cop... and he is a friend of Obama.. The after polls the text that said " watch on cnn" not much faith in the cnn poll.. Cbs the dan rather network. The one who used fake memo's about bush.. not much faith there either. My call right at the end of the debate was Palin my a nose... but I agree beating biden is not much of a stretch. I did not run in Iowa and I almost beat him there.. Oh and OJ guilty.... 13 years later.....
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10/4/2008 7:28 am |
I never said Palin won the debate. I'm just saying she deserves some respect. Neither she nor Biden would be my choice for VP.For that matter,neither McCain nor Obama would be my choice for president. See, here's the rub. Most of us are not looking for someone to jerk off to the next 4 years. We're looking for leadership, and as usual the rethuglican offers none. Quack fucking quack Gin. Are you running an aviary? Biden was too much of a gentleman. He should have ripped her to shreds. Gee, but then he'd be "picking on her", right? The moderator was possibly the WORST I've ever seen. What was she afraid of? Or who paid her? Absolutely worthless. Fucking CUE CARDS???? What the hell kind of debate was THAT? Even THEN she never answered a question. Can't even keep track of the cue cards? or CAN'T READ 'EM? Get her a copy of "My Pet Goat". "Kodiak Barbie" is a gross misnomer. Barbie dolls are MUCH smarter.  Rev Joe"American by Birth, SOUTHERN by the Grace of God" "This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok." "I'll make ya famous."
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10/4/2008 7:46 am |
I have to disagree with twoforone100. I thought Biden actually acted like he was in a Debate. He was serious about debating, and he showed some passion with some of his answers that wasnt' scripted. I liked his "real bridge to nowhere" comment. I thought he slammed one home then. Did we get real answers? No. Not anything that turned the tides in a dramatic way. I thought Palin's performance was exactly that. She wasn't consistent in her mannerisms, except for that goofy smile that was as disingenuous as anything I've ever seen. ONe minute she was trying to be goody goody with people she really does not identify with, and another minute she's nervous and edgy, and I wasn't convinced she actually believed anything she was saying. Akmadinegad....she said the name like 5 times in those 2 minutes she had. A hard name to pronounce at first, given to her to throw out like she was in on a big secret. JOe Sixpack? I just read an article on yahoo "On Deadline: Where is Joe Sixpack? Is he Single?"....I couldn't have said it better myself.  
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10/4/2008 7:48 am |
Are you related to Tru? What is it with the water in Missouri? Or is it the schools? Maybe AM Radio is all that's available? One TV channel? (Faux) I dunno. Sad tho'. Evidently you saw a different debate than most of the world. Correct, Palin is no "dumb broad". Broads are a great deal smarter. Palin is dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. Respect? Why? For breathing? My dog is smarter and more articulate. And he eats cat shit and licks his balls. HE can multitask. See, here's the rub. Most of us are not looking for someone to jerk off to the next 4 years. We're looking for leadership, and as usual the rethuglican offers none. Quack fucking quack Gin. Are you running an aviary? Biden was too much of a gentleman. He should have ripped her to shreds. Gee, but then he'd be "picking on her", right? The moderator was possibly the WORST I've ever seen. What was she afraid of? Or who paid her? Absolutely worthless. Fucking CUE CARDS???? What the hell kind of debate was THAT? Even THEN she never answered a question. Can't even keep track of the cue cards? or CAN'T READ 'EM? Get her a copy of "My Pet Goat". "Kodiak Barbie" is a gross misnomer. Barbie dolls are MUCH smarter. Rev Joe
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10/4/2008 8:35 am |
Hey Gin,I see you have your usual line-up of bobbleheads nodding in agreement to your every word. Hey now Tweetyboy. I happen to agree with a view and look forward to responding to a post. This seems to upset you. Hence the insult. If one agrees with another it doesn't make them a bobblehead. Bobbleheads shake in a myriad of directions. To The Right Of Some And Left Of Others
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10/4/2008 9:19 am |
My guess is you were slammed to the mat too many times. Brain damage. You just keep sucking on beer and cigarettes and letting everyone know how stupid you are.  Just like Palin, uninformed and uunprepared for this one. Body slams hurt the back, not the head. And I neither drink nor smoke tobaacco. Learn to read scooter. it isn't as challenging as most rethuglicans think it is. As for stupid? I mean BESIDES "some college" vs Masters +. Didn't say ONE THING incorrect did I? Not ONE WORD could you challenge? Now, tell us who REALLY looks stupid? Even your insults are lame. "American by Birth, SOUTHERN by the Grace of God" "This ain't Dodge City, and you ain't Bill Hickok." "I'll make ya famous."
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10/4/2008 9:44 am |
Didn't they teach you how to spell at this alleged college at which you got your alleged masters degree? Did you learn to read before you went to this alleged college? You have GOT to be the bubba that everyone's been talking about.
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10/4/2008 10:05 am |
Come on guys. Birdman, Josey, this is not helpful in the discussion. Can we stop with the personal insults? Geez, all this does is solidify personal perceptions of the other side. If you talk rationally, somebody's mind may be opened. If all you do is insult each other, no one benefits. Aangelis7
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10/4/2008 11:28 am |
Most unfortunately I need to disagree with your premise, AAngelis7, that rational talk has the potential to change or open minds at this point, WRT the American political debate. This country's tradition of political compromise has been trampled under foot, and the ad hominem attacks here reflect all too well the general level of political discourse. It is also unfortunate that, these days, I include myself in such criticisms. While politically engaged all my adult life I have refrained from joining any party; in part because none fully encapsulated my perspective and priorities, in part because different branches of the family were deeply partisan and I was turned off by some of these same sort of lines of attack. My family's Republican branch has its roots in the "Clean Up Kansas City" campaign during the '20's and '30's that was formed in response to the corrupt Democratic machine that ran the city at the time; I have a very deep respect for that group's fight for ethical and honest government. However, under the current administration even members of that group have renounced their party registration and the anointing of an Evangelical as VP nominee in a country founded, in part, upon the idea of the separation of church and state has done nothing to bring them back into the 'big tent', to say nothing of doubts and questions regarding the economic knowledge and policies of the Republican candidates. It is somewhat shameful for me to admit that I don't want to engage the Birdman in a debate but actively desire to disenfranchise him; to know that he can shout at me but I will not hear. I am saddened that this is where I am, but it is no mystery to me how I arrived at this point.
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10/4/2008 11:36 am |
In his 20's he is no longer a kid only the million moms count up to the age of 25 as they skew the # of how many "kids" are killed by guns everyday...... I do think that is relevant..Do others well we shall see.. It goes to judgment.. Not everyone used... Not everyone has been through it...I am using his words on it. I am saying that the networks skew info. The cbs "rathergate" is a symptom of it.. of a time they got caught.. I think you are judged by the company you keep... Obama has kept some questionable company..oh and that Ayers was not charged.. well OJ was not convicted of killing his wife and Ron Goldman.. Does not mean he did not do it..To hang around people like Ayers as recently as the start of this campaign is an issue..I have never hung out with someone who was in a group that wanted to overthrow the gov. Or " people" who killed cops and blew stuff up.. now or then.. And that Ayers has said he" should have done more" recently though he denies it now.. Does not matter to us how many years ago it was. One who has made so many questionable choices should not lead... ymwv.... OH and they are all facts not one word untrue... Oh and the ACORN thing is not the past it is happening now.... they have been guilty of it.. Don't look back... Look forward... two (alleged wrongs) don't make a right. College football time... enjoy the weekend....
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10/4/2008 11:44 am |
Sarah simply surpassed the lowered expectations. I know Joe Biden and she is certainly no Joe Biden.
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10/4/2008 12:03 pm |
LOL just because a few people agree with each other does not make them bobbleheads. Jen does a great job at the research and fact finding and shares her views on this blog. To my suprise I actually agree with what she writes 80% of the time. Because of Jen I have started to become a much more educated voter. She has been the one to open my own eyes recently. Voting for McCain is a losing proposition in MY OPINION. Our countries biggest issue is the economy. He himself has admitted that he isn't up on economics. What makes him think he is suited for the task at hand? Everything McCain does is just for show. He said he rushed back to Washington to work on this bailout, he is proud of the work he did. The video that was shown just shows him sitting there looking around the office they were in. It is pretty sad that his own party tried to have a proposal finished before McCain got back to town. His own party did not want his imput. Another fun fact about McCain that many people might not know......did you know that when McCain was a p.o.w. he made a video with the veitnamese government against the U.S. involvement in Veitnam? To me that makes him a traitor to his own country and should have been shot. Let it be an enlisted man that does that and see what happens. Ok I completely got side tracked there. Anyway the point, I don't trust McCain at all. Everything he is doing and saying is just to get the vote. I believe Barrack is genuine in what he wants to accomplish. I don't believe that McCain has anything good to contribute and neither does Palin. She is the governor of Alaska, how much experience does that count for?
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10/4/2008 12:05 pm |
As the old saying goes........you can put lipstick on a pig and you will still have a pig.
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10/4/2008 12:11 pm |
Saw the debate.. Did a blog while it was happening ...check the time... Joe body language was terrible... he looked down all the time... his head was down looking up over imaginary glasses... "let me repeat"... If Joe Biden was as great as everyone here is making him out to be he would have got more than 1 0n IOWA.. behind Richardson. Middle america is folksy.. big city folks forget that... that is why it is called fly overland... Though I have not looked at it but... I would bet most of those here who agree that Biden won live in the classic blue states. I mean cities... So she wanted to get her points across.. that was the point... and at the republican convention speech she said she was not here to make nice with the press or the establishment ( Biden). Joe was looking back talking about a candidate who is not running.. Yet when you say the past only matters on one side... all that old bs does matter... Obama's drug use, Rezko, Ayers, Rev Wright, and acorn. Which is linked to voter fraud in 12 states including OH. Search for it... type in acorn voter fraud and look for your self.. Why does it matter...... OBAMA was their lawyer.... that is why.... It does matter...oh and there seems to be fraud happening already.........but what would you expect from a Chicago politician. Check out the weathermen. Ayers.. They did actually blow stuff up.. Like the Capitol..Brian V Mcdonell.. a san fran police officer they killed....... they killed... they killed...That really angers me but then I have an x wife who was a cop... and he is a friend of Obama.. The after polls the text that said " watch on cnn" not much faith in the cnn poll.. Cbs the dan rather network. The one who used fake memo's about bush.. not much faith there either. My call right at the end of the debate was Palin my a nose... but I agree beating biden is not much of a stretch. I did not run in Iowa and I almost beat him there.. Oh and OJ guilty.... 13 years later..... Sure, she might know that the average family is going broke, but does she have any idea why? I seriously doubt it, because her big budget experience comes from a state with a budget SURPLUS and is not scrambling for money. I find it HILARIOUS that she denigrates Democratic policies by calling them a 'redistribution of wealth' while her state has a current policy, started by her, of putting a windfall tax on the oil companies and giving it to the citizens! Hypocrite, much? Mark this, though.. Biden one by taking it easy on her and his bar was a shitload higher. Make the bars even, and she dies on the stairs getting there. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein
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10/4/2008 12:30 pm |
No sweat on not answering the comments. I personally think in my entire voting life.. this has been one of the weirdest election years yet. But I thought you might like a giggle.. read this [post 1618600] - Arti -  rtimus Bard of Norcal
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10/4/2008 2:02 pm |
Sarah managed to not cause anymore damage than she already has...therefor the McBush people call that a win. We won't see anymore interviews with her...only scripted speeches at rallys. No questions where she can't provide the answer because she can't name one pubication that she reads daily...or one Supreme Court case...there happens to be one in Alaska that she should be very familiar with...or anything else that one running for vice president should have some knowledge of. They didn't even tell her they were pulling out of Michigan....Friday morning she said she just heard....Hell, I knew about it on Thursday...Shee's on a need to know basis.   HAVING YOUR CAKE AND EATING IT TOO..
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10/4/2008 2:16 pm |
WOW, beauty and brains. I'm very impressed........and turned on I might add...lol. That's not to say I agree with most of what you said, but I do admire the fact that you have a logical thought process that you obviously go through. Quite frankly as someone who has been politically involved and paid attention since I was 18 years old, and have never missed an election, even school board elections, I've come to the conclusion that they are frankly all full of shit, and out just for there own egos and power. I remember thinking how sad when I would hear others say this over the past couple of decades, but I'm even more sad to conclude that I have now become one of "them" and may not even vote this time. NONE OF THE 4 ARE STATESMEN, THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS, AND THE LAST THING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS ARE MORE POLITICIANS. And the medias attempts to "manage" this whole election process makes them even worse and has been disgraceful. As someone who was once in "the mainstream media" I say this to them, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. You are suppose to document history not become part of it, or be trying to "make a difference." Just report the facts, the one and only set of facts, not as you see them. The one thing I do agree with them about recently however, and why I started this comment, was that I firmly believe if you liked him, or her before the debate started, you still favor them after, and think your person won. Neither was very impressive as far as I'm concerned. This country has become so partisan I just can't stand it anymore, so I say this to all of you now. Let's decide once and for all and get it over with. If you want capitalism then let's all get behind that system, if you want socialism, let's all get behind that, but this doing a little of each is killing us and quite frankly I've found it exhausting, and just don't think I can find myself caring for very much longer. Pacino Pacino
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10/4/2008 2:25 pm |
PS.............I swear to God this is absolutely not in anyway meant to be patronizing Classy Ginger but the fact that you know who Gwen Ifill is and watch Meet the Press is so freaking hot!!!!!!! You truly are Classy Ginger and will make sure to read your blog on a regular basis in the future. Pacino  Pacino
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10/4/2008 5:59 pm |
I think we should show some respect for both parties and both candidates. It is my belief that some are bitter that she's still quite popular despite many attempts to force her out of the picture. She is still very much a variable in the election (or you would not continue to post almost exclusively about her.) NO ONE won this debate. Not Palin... Not even Joe Biden. I think the fact that it's a close race has people on edge. In only one more month, alleluia! We will be past at least some of the rage that is so pandemic in America. I for one am hosting a party, regardless of who wins. I think a new administration will be great, and I can't wait to see the winner take us into a new era. They both say they can make things better. Who doesn't look forward to that, I ask you? x's and o's Gin. Miss_Kitka ˜
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10/4/2008 6:06 pm |
If the Bird Flu strikes, I know who I'll be blaming. Excellent post, Gin, as always!!!
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10/4/2008 6:19 pm |
Well, it's sad that some people approve of her ducking the questions or thinking that she answered them in any meaningful way. Ya gotta climb into the ring if ya wanna play rope a dope. She just plain cheated and used it as a rehearsed campaign speech. "I don't want to ansewer your question. I wanna talk to the American people." What kind of BS is that? i'ds rather see AAngelis as VP or Ginger if she were a tad older. They're both far more intelligent and informed than Sarah!.
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10/4/2008 8:34 pm |
OJ I can't say if he should have been convicted this time.. don't know enough.. the last time.. he should have not been.. bad police work... the dna was handled poorly.. did he do it????.. a whole separate question... We bring up oj mostly because it is in vegas and you are... much like we brought lance in the emails.. as he was in vegas to. But we wonder why you ask... Again Bush is not running... pointing at someone else to hide his mistakes does not help your or his cause...... He said he was in college...It was a clinton aide.. Bill Shanheen who brought the drug use... Check the cnn page if you doubt it... if he was over 18 as most in college are.. (though for a month I was not).. (but that is a sept birthday for you). yes it matters...The fact that he as said you drugs should be legalized matters.. again check the obama position page on wiki... used then and now wants to legalize.. yes that is an a issue.. BTW That kind of drug use would keep you out of the FBI, CIA, the military, The secret service, and from being a cop..... Should it keep him from being president as well??? yes... His finger is on the nuclear triggers... That is why it matter... If you check wiki. You will find that quote where Ayers talks about it. It's where we got that quote about Ayers from not fox.. nice try... but it is not fox noise... Can't say if he had a role in it the bombing death.... but he admits to knowing and supporting those people.. they were his friends... that matters. never charged does not equate innocent. Lots of guilty people are not charged. Obama was in his house less that two years ago and served on the same board. I admit being once married to a cop makes one a little sensitive to those who kill cops... Until you live with the fact that they might not come home.. it is hard to explain it to you. You point to bush's youth. Again bush is not running. It was an issue to some then.. like Obama's is now.... can't have it both ways. I never said you said that " everyone had" Just saying that not everyone has.. It does matter... As for open mined well that is a choice but I have know a lot who did and for the most part they are the ones you can't trust.. one learns from experience..... ymmv... Good day in college football go hoo's and go heel's
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10/4/2008 9:57 pm |
Maybe, but they are still preaching to the choir, rallies are always pro whoever is there. I have never seen one of them go into the lions den. However it's still the undecided voters that will determine our next president. That's who they have to win. Whoever does that wins this election. Not independents but those undecided. Indeed Old McDonald has to wear that jacket, he has practically tailor made if for himself, in this you are correct.
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10/4/2008 10:06 pm |
I sat in here for an hour reading...lol I love ur blog  ~The pen is never mightier than the truth~
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10/5/2008 12:26 am |
I think we should show some respect for both parties and both candidates. It is my belief that some are bitter that she's still quite popular despite many attempts to force her out of the picture. She is still very much a variable in the election (or you would not continue to post almost exclusively about her.) NO ONE won this debate. Not Palin... Not even Joe Biden. I think the fact that it's a close race has people on edge. In only one more month, alleluia! We will be past at least some of the rage that is so pandemic in America. I for one am hosting a party, regardless of who wins. I think a new administration will be great, and I can't wait to see the winner take us into a new era. They both say they can make things better. Who doesn't look forward to that, I ask you? x's and o's Gin. You might want to pipe down on the qualifications issue. Our next commander, Barack, will be the least qualified man ever to ever hold the seat in the history of this country, hands-down, no reason whatsoever for us to debate that. Please spare us both and just don't even bother copying and pasting all his good deeds from community organization coz good grief, I've seen enough of that drivel and you've spent enough of your own personal time having to do that for him (don't want to tear you away anymore from your visitors!) Clearly qualifications do not matter in this election; it's all about youth, minority leadership, and sharp tongues, along with good handlers to boot. Miss_Kitka ˜
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10/5/2008 12:27 am |
OK i didn't mean to quote myself; I meant to quote YOU! Miss_Kitka ˜
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10/5/2008 4:39 am |
Again you bring up the past to support you yet you don't think Obama's past matters...Bush is not running and "countless other republicans" are not either.... DUI's are a problem for sure...But beer is legal and coke and pot are not. We don't' think that coke is minor drug use... Not that Obama does not want to make them legal as he said in a speech to Northwestern. wiki I know you won't vote for McCain anymore than I would for Obama. McCain is not Bush.. yet it is often brought up. So you have to face the other side of it.. There is lots of dirt on Obama on the net that we would never bring up.. Mostly because it does not matter, unless he lies about it.... a good search is Obama's drug use... On policy Obama is against guns... That is why he won't get our vote... Pretty simply... Acorn is in 12 states doing voter fraud... oh by the way Obama was their lawyer... Yes Vietnam is a long time ago... but how some acted back then and how those same people treated our troops when they returned is remembered by some... at 38 I was in kindergarten when saigon fell.. One of the first thing I remember about the world is that story... back when there were only three channels.. It is a big influence no doubt... Yes the undecided voters have to make up their minds... We don't work for anyone campaign or other group...We simple have read something we don't agree with and said our side of it.. We state again that coke use would keep you out of the FBI, CIA, DEA, Secret service, and many other places in our government... Yet the man who wants to run it USED>....... We don't want a man who could not hold those jobs running them... YMMV
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10/5/2008 6:00 am |
Quote: "Anybody catch that clip of Grampi at a rally today? It was the goofiest thing, he said; “How about Sarah Palin last night... Huh... Huh”. Absolutely Hilarious!" It's not too difficult for Palin to exceed expectations when even the spinmeisters in her own party set the bar to cross underground. The ultimate debate to watch (strictly for entertainment value) would be Sarah Palin v. George W. Bush -- an idiot against a retard; a hockey mom against a hockey puck.  -tandyrodd-
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10/5/2008 9:30 am |
Again you bring up the past to support you yet you don't think Obama's past matters...Bush is not running and "countless other republicans" are not either.... DUI's are a problem for sure...But beer is legal and coke and pot are not. We don't' think that coke is minor drug use... Not that Obama does not want to make them legal as he said in a speech to Northwestern. wiki I know you won't vote for McCain anymore than I would for Obama. McCain is not Bush.. yet it is often brought up. So you have to face the other side of it.. There is lots of dirt on Obama on the net that we would never bring up.. Mostly because it does not matter, unless he lies about it.... a good search is Obama's drug use... On policy Obama is against guns... That is why he won't get our vote... Pretty simply... Acorn is in 12 states doing voter fraud... oh by the way Obama was their lawyer... Yes Vietnam is a long time ago... but how some acted back then and how those same people treated our troops when they returned is remembered by some... at 38 I was in kindergarten when saigon fell.. One of the first thing I remember about the world is that story... back when there were only three channels.. It is a big influence no doubt... Yes the undecided voters have to make up their minds... We don't work for anyone campaign or other group...We simple have read something we don't agree with and said our side of it.. We state again that coke use would keep you out of the FBI, CIA, DEA, Secret service, and many other places in our government... Yet the man who wants to run it USED>....... We don't want a man who could not hold those jobs running them... YMMV Do you want to talk about voter fraud with a Republican in the mix? Does the name Diebold mean anything to you? Here's a big problem for you: No matter how much you try, you'll never unlock McCain from Bush BECAUSE McCain intentionally married himself to this administration in his voting record and policy statements. He sold out to the tactics and the ideals when they beat him in 2000 and he's been one of theirs ever since. The number 91 is not something you can ignore, especially since it his the average of his voting agreement with Bush. I'll argue the drug issue any day with you and the hypocrisy of the policies and the inevitable failure they represent (Prohibition, anyone?). I'd also have kept that one in your pocket, since McCain's friend, Bush, DID use coke and IS CIC. You're playing guilt-by-association, so am I. Smart as a horse and hung like Einstein
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