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1playfulgal 39F
7112 posts
8/4/2005 10:55 pm

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spirituality


I don't consider myslef religious...not in the traditional sense...

I don't identify with any specific religion...rather i have my own beliefs...some that come from different religions and some could only be described as spiritual...

I do believe in past lives and reincarnation...

I believe in life after death...and i believe that our loved ones are capable of contacting us after they are gone...

I had a dream one night not too long ago...About my Grandfather...he was young and handsome in his military dress uniform...Not sick and wasted away like he was when i knew him...

He gave me a hug and told me not to worry that he was doing just fine...He gave my sister a hug and My sister introduced him to her husband whom he had never gotten the chance to meet...They shook hands and my Grandfather welcomed my brother in law to the family...

I woke up with the most amazing feeling...a warm comfortable feeling...as if it was really my granfather's spirit...Its hard to drescribe...

My beliefs have come to me through my own experiences...what are your and how did you discover them...

rm_Friends9185 37F
6 posts
8/5/2005 12:18 am

Sometimes it's hard to understand god/devil and all seems confusing


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
8/5/2005 12:39 am

well my family have been followed by spokes for years and watched over by...

we have a tale of the white lady who looks over our young ones when they are sick

we have fred who likes to 'borrow' things and seriously he will return them if you ask and give him another trinket in return

my Aunty Sally who incidently was the anniversary of her death yesterday my mother went to her grave and had the usual ceremony of having a joint and beam with her yesterday....but she seems to turn up before each death....thankfully there haven't been too many since her's

my uncle micheal well the night he died he visited the family interstate and said good bye....

we believe in god but we don't believe in religion.....if you know what I mean

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
8/5/2005 12:45 am

yep my mum had known he was dead the night before the mornings phone call......she was alone outside on the verandah, he was supposed to be in Melbourne that night....we were in Queensland at the time...

along with the rest of the deceased family he turned up and they were all having a get together on the back verandah....

I kid you not my mother had left her lighters inside the house.....

she reckons he gave her a lite, and I kid you not after she had been out there half an hour....she came screaming inside in an absolute panic saying "he is dead! he is dead!" which no one could settle and her cigarette was lite.....

he had suicided in a Victorian shopping center parking lot, he had slit his wrists and gassed himself....it was the night before christmas eve.....

WyvernRose


hardtoland 29M
51 posts
8/5/2005 12:49 am

well....Deep Subject, i know..........I happen to be a person who does not believe in any....higher power.....unless if in my life it taps me on the shoulder and says, "I'm a higher power".....then i'll believe....unless its greg, he's a homless guy i know who thinks he's jesus.....whenever my friends ask me if I believe in god, I say the same thing..."I don't know, I've never met him." If I ever do, he better be ready to explain a few things

like...

what came first, the chicken or the egg?????

are we all related in some way?????

Do you really see....everything?????????

As for the contacting our loved ones.....I don't believe that we "contact" them, I believe that our minds take it on itself and provides us with these visions or illusions to give us comfort and a "everything is peaches, don't flip" kind of feelin'. Like my Hilusinations, I saw my grandfather watching TV. And i talked to him. and he was fine.....but i know that it wasn't real....ouwww...my hand hurts...got to go....bye


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
8/5/2005 12:50 am

Oh the week before my Uncles Death while driving his Mack Truck he had seen his sister sally looking at him sadly through the windscreen.....

WyvernRose


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
8/5/2005 12:54 am

Oh the white lady only turns up if the illness is life threatening....

usually about the time the docs say we will know by morning.....

WyvernRose


rm_dracco64 52M
34 posts
8/5/2005 1:15 am

Wow ... I have a similar, but different story that I should share with you ... but I am going to wait on that one. I would like to add that this just adds a whole new deminsion to a lady that has many sides and would keep any intelluctually stimulated person engaged for extended periods of time. I can imagine wasting away many hours just getting to know a portion of you.

You have another great day and know that there are many people smiling down on you.


LoyaltyandHonor 35M/31F
1241 posts
8/5/2005 5:50 am

I use a combination of the Teutonic Knights, Templar Knights, and the Japanese Samurai. I discovered them through an intense fascination with them the first time i read a book about them.

The Teutonic Knights and Templar Knights were the bravest and richest knights in the world for several centuries. The Samurai have been historically seen as the greatest fighters ever to exist in history since the dawn of time.

The world would not be what it is today if it was not for the Teutonic and Templar knights. They saved hundreds of thousands of lives and entire kingdoms during the Holy Crusades in the Middle Ages.


Straycatsetsuko 61F

8/5/2005 6:49 am

I'm straycatsetsuko. Feel free to contact me. I worked in the AIDS community, back when they were dropping like flies, and I've been given lots of reason to think about the whole life after death thing.


jim5131 55M
1296 posts
8/5/2005 7:42 am

I was raised Catholic ('nuff said..) but drifted away from it after the 97 divorce...sorta lost faith, I suppose. I've changed quite a bit since then and my feelings toward my faith are as high as they've ever been. But I had different feelings about the afterlife and tried to make them fit into the things that I DID believe. One of the foundational changes came..believe it or not..after watching a hypnotist take a volunteer back through time..the subject took on several different pesonalities from 1925 (he was a warehouse worker outside NYC) and 1859 (he was a farmer in Sicily)...amazing. After watching John Robert's TV show, I struggled to find that placement.

The Bhuddists have an interesting theory, that we are reincarnated continually until we finally live the perfect life, then we pass on to the next world....sort of a perpetual Groundhog Day on a worldwide scale.

In strong defiance of my religious beliefs, I have this theory that Heaven is around us: when we pass on, there is a period of time where we can watch over out families, etc..then we serve again: heaven is being reborn into a world of love, hope, comfort and good health. Hell, or some form of it, is when you are born into a world of dispair, lost hope and anger. And we have that life again to find ourselves, turn to our God and change ourselves, eventually passing into the goodness that He has in mind for each of us.

I feel the prescence of my Grandmother every time I walk into the 'old house' at the farm and distinctly get the feeling that she is watching me. I know exactly how you feel. Thinking what I now believe in theory explains that feeling. Nothing to be afraid of..


spikeryder 49M

8/5/2005 7:46 am

I believe ther is a creative force at work in the universe, what religions refer to as God. I think life is too amazing to be a coincidence.
I believe I have lived before, although I have no memory of it. I feel there is someone I have known through the ages, she believes the same.
I believe in Ghosts(does this contradiict my previous belief?) as I have seen and heard several, through the years, in different locations.
I believe in friendship, i think it is the strongest and most positive force i have ever known.
I believe that 1playfulgal has the finest butt i have ever seen.

This is what i believe.


ByteChaser2 53M

8/5/2005 8:31 am

Ok... I'll toss my hat into this ring

For lack of a better definition... I'm Spiritualist with Gnostic tendancies and a decidely strong slant towards the Divine Feminine. That's about a mish-mash isn't it?

Your belief in reincarnation is interesting as well though I suspect my "take" on it, as it relates to physical death of the body and "what's next" diverges from yours.

Lets see. How to put this coherently... Its my contention that a persons soul/spirit is actually that persons accumulated knowledge, history and experiances as seen by those around them. And that when the body dies, that persons spirit is "reborn" - or lives on - in the memories of those people who've been "touched" by the deceased.

This stems - for me at any rate - from the Gnostic faith system. Gnostic stems from the word Gnosis - Greek for Knowledge. In a nut shell, Gnostics believe that a person (mortal) reaches divinity through knowledge and wisdom. That a person [spiritually] becomes God when that person has attained the requisite knowledge of one's self and their surrounding universe. I've just taken it a step further... Applying that faith system to physical death, and more specifically that question of "what's next".

When I die, that's it for me. There's literally nothing in store for me when the body dies. But who I am will continue on in the memories of those whom I've "touched".

As a concept, model it to those people who've influenced your thoughts and experiances most and who are now dead. These people - or more appropriately, their spirit - continues on in you. Ergo, they spiritually are in a fashion of afterlife - reincarnated if you will.

But again, that's just my own belief. It's also my belief that the nice warm feeling you woke to WAS your Grandfathers spirit - as it lives on in you. Feels good doesn't it?


rm_Techie321 44M

8/5/2005 8:51 am

I've never felt a spirtual experience in a church, and yet I do believe in a higher power. Whatever you want to call it... God, Bhudda, Allah, The Universe, whatever. Call it The Force for all I care. But in looking around at nature and science, you see beauty and symmetry and balance everywhere, unlike what you see is most of man's little creations. My most spirtual feelings generally come when I'm off somewhere peaceful, like on a quiet lake shore or in the mountains or something.

I don't know about spirts, ghosts, past lives, reincarnation, etc. I've never had any experiences that would suggest their existance. Who knows, someday I might, and I'll make up my mind then.

I remember once as a kid in sunday school, I asked the teacher about the discrepancy between what the religion taught about how old the earth was (according to the Bible, it's only around 6000-6500 years or something close to that) and what science tells us about the age of the earth based on the fossil record. The teacher kind of sputtered, couldn't explain, and then finally gave up and basically said, "it just is, you have to have faith". That kind of bugs me. Isn't it possible that the Bible, as a work written by man, *might* possibly have errors, inaccuracies, or just not contain the whole picture? Religion would tell you no, the Bible is an absolute. To me that seems rather presumptuous. To me, the Bible is a work that contains important lessons, but it's only one source. You have to integrate many sources into your belief system.

When it comes to spirtuality and religion, I think it's important to make up your own mind and draw your own conclusions based on your own personal experiences, not on what your parents, friends, pastor, minister, rabbi, the Pope, or society in general may tell you.

So, that's me.


rm_pgthkck4u 47M
115 posts
8/5/2005 9:36 am

I have found that if you compare the organized religions down to thier base principals they are saying the exact same thing. I have nevr been a big fan of religion, it can lead to to much conflict. Like you I consider myself more of a spiritual being than a religious one.


rm_NEgurl1 32M

8/5/2005 12:00 pm

What is the purpose of life?

Is there life after death?

I mean where do we all go afterwards. There are many possiblities and is one of them reincarnation? Do we live our lives without knowing that maybe, there was a previous life where we were completely different, different hair, different face, different everything? And is this some vicious cycle that we have no conception of because we are continously reborn? Or do we spend an eternity paying for what we did in that previous life? Is there a heaven and hell? There are so many unanswered questions...


rm_eoooor 47M
3 posts
8/5/2005 12:01 pm

Could I see more photographs of you?


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:01 am

Friends9185

I don't mean to offend anyone's religions or beliefs but i do not believe in God/Devil...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:03 am

wyvernrose

those occurances fascinate me...i had lots to tell about as well...but now that i hear of you encounters maybe i will tell all in a later post...

Thanks for sharing your stories with us...

blog on babe


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:05 am

hardtoland

That is a different perspective on the subject that we have heard so far...

kisses and hugs...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:08 am

dracco64

I would love for you to share that story with me someday...
I have others to share with people who don't get freaked out about this sort of thing...
Some things just can't be explained away...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:10 am

Straycatsetsuko

I am curious to know what kind of perspective that that kind of work has given you on this subject...has it left you jaded...has it left you hopeful...certain...I am interested to hear your response...

blog on


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:14 am

waggypolly

sounds like a very profound experience...thanks for sharing it with us...

jim5131

No nothing i have experienced has led me to be frightened...evrything has left me with a profound sense of love and belonging to something that is bigger than myself...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/6/2005 12:17 am

spikeryder

I also believe in past lives/reincarnation...i also believe in what you call ghosts...i call spirits...i don't believe it is a contradiction...I believe that your spirit is in limbo existing on a different plane until a perfect next life is created...

clear as mud right???


wyvernrose 38F
3895 posts
8/6/2005 2:41 am

your welcome playful

WyvernRose


xx_44DD_xx 51F

8/6/2005 6:29 am

When my grandfather passed..... he was blind. He came to me in a dream and we were dancing. He could see me.

It was not startling at all, it was so peaceful. I know his soul is at rest and I am so grateful for that.


IPman 61M
313 posts
8/6/2005 7:04 am

I believe in a spirit around us, I feel it all of the time, I wish more people could be open to the possibilities; once they got themselves there,,, its easy to sense it.

I see it in your writing playfulgal!


bigred4499 60M
87 posts
8/6/2005 7:26 am

Hi Yes I believe in a higher power , thats why we have a conscious. My Scottish granmother is my guardian angel I an named after my uncle Jim whom she lost when he was 7 . my son & him could be twins . She always helps me get through the tough times


spikeryder 49M

8/6/2005 12:55 pm

I think there is a difference between a ghost and a spirit..I believe in both..I think the "visible" ghost is often somesort of "recording" of a moment in time played back, through out time..because most of the ones i have seen cannot be interacted with.
A spirit is a presence there with you in the same time and space, sometimes visiting in a dream, as you decribe. I have had things moved(thrown at me) whilst there and seen movement in my periferal vision. A group of three of us once heard a voice amongst us..we nearly shit ourselves! it was the middle of the day in a kitchen!


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 7:36 am

humboldthonni

that is an amazing story...thanks fro sharing it with us...

ByteChaser2

That is a very different view I've never heard of Gnostics before...i'm not sure what to think...it'll take a while for me to absorb that information...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 7:41 am

Techie321

You are too right about needing to make up your own mind...ut unfortunatley not everyone has that option...In somecases where the religion is pushed so hard at you all your life you have no choice...Sure some people rebel but for the most part people go along with it because it is the path of least resistance...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 8:16 am

pgthkck4u

that is one of the many things i don't like about organized religion...They all say basically the saem thing...but by calling it a different name or interpretting something slightly different they call themselves something else...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 8:20 am

NEgurl1

That is part of what i like...think how boring the world would be if you knew everything...there would be no wonder or awe...

eoooor


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 8:27 am

xx_44DD_xx

Thankyou...that is exactly what i was trying to get at when i spoke of my grandfather...

IPman

there are a lot of closed minded people out there...aren't there...but as time goes by people are falling away from organized religion...There aren't near as many religious people now as there were 2 hundredd years ago...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 8:35 am

[memebr bigred4499]

I believe that we all have a guardian angel...well not an angel maybe but a guardian spirit...keeping us safe and out fo harms way...

[memberIwannaExploreU]

That situation sounds eerily familiar...as i also lost my grandfather after a lengthy battle with cancer...That night in my dream was not the first time i had seen him...


1playfulgal 39F
1828 posts
8/7/2005 8:39 am

spikeryder

Thre is a line in a book i ready just recently that described the difference between what you are speaking of...i will look for the book and get back to you...


rm_WizardTim12 50M
44 posts
8/7/2005 9:21 am

Everyone on this subject tends to pick things that support the personality they have, then go with it. Plus, lots of people just 'adopt' whatever their parents do, and don't think about it too much. Or they adopt the opposite of what their parents (or friends) think.

For me, I had a fairly light Christian childhood, but it never made sense to me. As an adult, I say agnostic, but probably atheistic tendencies cover it pretty well. I believe in an objective reality, ie whatever sort of 'ultimate truth' exists is independent of what I would 'like', or is 'comfortable' for me. This is what amazes me about the number of people who pepper what they believe with things similar to 'I like feeling that..[insert item]..is true'. To me, what does this have to do with anything? It's like me saying I'd like to have $1,000,000 in the bank. Sure, I'd LIKE it, but my bank balance is my bank balance, whatever I'd personally LIKE.
I've seen no evidence of any higher power, and the most likely explanation seems to me to be a universe with it's own internal laws. I'm not an expert on either religion or psychology, but the major religions and beliefs in angels, ghosts, spirits, etc. seem to me to be humans faking themselves out. Human brains are designed by evolution to spot any conceivable pattern, which was a help many thousands of years ago to our ancestors. But if you try to spot 'any' possible pattern, you'll also turn up lots of 'garbage', you think there's a pattern there when all it is is just random. This seems the most simple explanation to me. However, everyone else's mileage may vary. Lots of people have experiences they take as 'evidence' of something, and suggesting to them that they've let the pattern-making in their brain fake them out generally does nothing to sway their belief. Which, I think, is one of the reasons we have so many different competing viewpoints.
Have fun on your own personal journey.

My 2 cents worth. (Actually, we're probably up to a quarter, but who's counting? )


spikeryder 49M

8/8/2005 12:45 pm

Hey, you know, i left a reply here yesterday saw it appear on the list and now it's gone...like a ghost into the night

Anyway here's the gist of what I said.
I would be very interested in that Playful..I love this subject. I have a friend who's place is haunted by an old woman called Emily..She sits on the foot of my friends son's bed and "Chats" to him He can see her, but my friend only saw her very briefly, one time only, as she walked through her then boyfriend, who totally freaked out. He is now an Ex.
My current house isn't haunted but the previous 2 both had a "resident" one nice, one not.


vezhen 40M
17 posts
8/8/2005 1:44 pm

What about the "ghosts in the machine" theory? that somewhere in the vastness of the internet is an artificial non man made consiousness? what do you think of that?[post62196]


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